The Nerve to Sustainably Be Your Authentic Self Ft Cecily Rose

Do you struggle with fully showing up in your personal or professional life? 

Do you hide parts of yourself to make others feel more comfortable?

Do you constantly find yourself trying to “fit into” spaces?

Then you’re gonna love this episode of You’ve Got Nerve. 

Cecily Rose Engelhart joins me to talk all things visibility. Cecily is a Master Certified Life Coach, known by clients as “Your Dream Life’s Hype Chick.” She helps people who are feeling burnt out, trapped, and drained of enthusiasm to decolonize, heal, and cultivate abundant joy. 

As a sought-after coach and speaker, Cecily helps clients worldwide to activate their agency and transform their futures. She also takes great pride in her work at regional and local levels serving Native and rural communities. Whether coaching, consulting, or facilitating, she brings both pragmatic and playful energy to a space in order to make sure clients reach their goals –– and have a whole lot of fun along the way.

When Cecily isn’t coaching, she hosts events in the 1904 Victorian home her family bought and is restoring on her reservation. She can also be found spending time with her family playing games, cooking, baking, and dancing in the kitchen. She is also the owner of Rosie Matȟó, her jewelry and apparel business, is also currently penning her first two books, and in the early development stages of her Native travel show.

In this episode, we discuss:

In this episode, Cecily and I discuss:

  • What happens when you train yourself to “fit into” spaces. 
  • Noticing where and when you’ve been hiding, especially in your business and personal brand. 
  • Getting past the labels imposed on you by others. 
  • Determining the part of you that you’d like to flex more. 
  • Visioning what it looks like to show up as your full “authentic self.”

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If you’re ready to show up as your most audacious self, this episode is for you!


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Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm Master Certified life coach Susan Hyatt, and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey.

In today's episode, Cecily Rose Engelhart joins me. Cecily is a master certified life coach from the university for life coach training, known by clients as your dream life's hype chick. She helps people who are feeling burnout, trapped and drained of enthusiasm to decolonize, heal and cultivate abundant joy as a sought after coach. And speaker. Cecily helps clients worldwide to activate their agency and transform their futures. She also takes great pride in her work at regional and local levels, serving native and rural communities. Whether coaching, consulting, or facilitating Cecily brings both pragmatic and playful energy to a space in order to make sure clients reach their goals and have a whole lot of fun along the way. When Cecily isn't coaching, she hosts events in the 1904 Victorian home, her family bought and is restoring on her reservation. She can also be found spending time with her family, playing games, cooking, baking, and dancing in the kitchen.

She is also the owner of Rosie Matto. Her jewelry and apparel business is also currently pinning her first two books and is in the early development stages of her native travel show. Wow. In this episode, Cecily and I discuss what happens when you train yourself to fit into spaces, notice where and when you've been hiding, especially in your business and personal brand, getting past the labels imposed on you by others, determining the part of you that you'd like to flex more visioning what it looks like to show up as your full, authentic self. So if you struggle with visibility and showing up as your most audacious self, I think this episode is for you. Welcome to, you've got Nerve Cecily.

Cecily Rose (02:30):
Thank you so much. I'm so pleased to be here.

Susan Hyatt (02:33):
Listen, you have been busy, busy. I have watched you since you went through coach training, get all kinds of certifications. You've gone all in on getting trained to speak. You are doing the damn thing. So my question for you is what, you seem like you have a lot of nerve, so what are you, what are you getting up the nerve to do?

Cecily Rose (03:00):
Um, I feel like I'm really working on, um, getting up the nerve and keeping the nerve to be my authentic self.

Susan Hyatt (03:10):
Hmm. Keeping up the nerve is, is, you are correct. Like that is having sustainable nerve, um, is what this show is all about. So, um, when you say being your authentic self, where do you notice that's a challenge for you?

Cecily Rose (03:27):
I think that, um, the first thing that comes to mind for me is I spent a lot of my early childhood figuring out where I fit into spaces. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, like I had two very different families and so the humor was different. The, you know, the, everything was different. The food that we just had different spaces, right? Then you go to school, school is a different space, then you start working, work's a different space. And so I think I had trained myself to fit into spaces mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I started to realize over the past few years what happens when I just show up in a space and what does that look like and feel like. And there's so much work behind that somatically like figuring out when your body's talking to you about what it feels like to be at home in your body and in your actions. Um, and so yeah, I think that's kind of the iterations I've gone through is like, what does it mean to actually show up as myself and an integrity with myself? Hmm. Um, cause of course there's always the context of the different spaces we're in and sometimes you, you like being mindful of that is different than molding yourself to it.

Susan Hyatt (04:47):
Correct. What a great, what a great way to put it. Like you, I can, for example, similar but very different. I noticed that I, um, I recently agreed to go speak at my husband's rotary club meeting, right? And, and so I did notice that I was like, okay, where's my most conservative outfit? I still showed up as me. I mean, people were dying. They were like, you're burying your shoulders at Rotary. And that didn't even dawn on me. Like, I literally thought I was <laugh>, I was, I was doing my best to be mindful of the space, but also still show up as me. And something else I noticed was that I didn't drop a single F bomb in my talk <laugh>, which is <laugh>, right? Like, I just Nat, I just like went into default like, okay, let me, let me fit in according to their rules here. But I still, you know, said what I had to say and talked about the patriarchy and the invisible workload, et cetera. But for you though, I know you're talking about something else.

Cecily Rose (06:00):
Yeah, no, there's, I mean, there's layers and layers, right? Like, um, my family, both of my family, they're mixed and native. And so there's like the, my mom's family's more predominantly white. My dad's family is more predominantly native. And so like, there's the adaptability, I always kind of saw myself as like a chameleon, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like just shifting depending upon where I was at. But you hear a lot of, from a lot of people like, oh, like if you're not the same in all the different spaces, like you're being fake. Hmm. And it's like there's, there's different parts of myself that are, um, saved for different spaces mm-hmm. <affirmative>, which to me is absolutely not about being fake. It's about understanding my context. And context is actually one of my top strengths. Like those Clifton strengths. Yeah,

Susan Hyatt (06:51):
Yeah, yeah,

Cecily Rose (06:52):
Yeah. <laugh>. And so, um, there's so many layers to it, right? And, and I think this journey of, um, self is oddly really rooted in community and family because it's the thing that I have autonomy over, right? Like, I have autonomy over my thoughts to a certain degree over, you know, my body. So there's things that are important to me to really know where I have agency mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that how I show up is how I really want to show up. Right? And I believe that's an ex and by extension community work, because I'm not showing up from a state of reaction. I'm not showing up from a state of, um, you know, my survival brain being the only thing online. And so that's important to me to kind of claim that mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, and do that through my business, through my partnerships, through everything that I do. So if self-work is by an extension community work in my mind.

Susan Hyatt (07:50):
Yeah. It's very beautifully said. So if, if self-work is community work and you're gonna show up as your most authentic self, where have you noticed that perhaps you've been not just being, um, conscientious of context, but hiding a little bit who you are?

Cecily Rose (08:11):
Ooh. Um,

Cecily Rose (08:12):
Yeah. So the places where I feel like I might be hiding are really related to like, what I hear as a, as a very new entrepreneur from so many others about like the right way to do things. There's so much messaging, right? Trying to lure in new entrepreneurs to follow a certain path. And then there's myself and trying to follow my intuition about sometimes those things are rooted in patriarchy or white supremacy or colonialism or capitalism or whatever it is, right? There's all of these different things that, um, oftentimes even though I operate within them, feel very incongruent to how I want to operate. And so it's almost like I'm hiding because it's, I haven't gotten quote unquote the answer mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then I remember like, that's not really the task at hand, right. To have all the answers. Right. And so it, it's like if you, I can see myself getting in my own way. Mm-hmm. Um, and it's funny because I get so excited about what I have to about my work, right? Yeah. I get so enliven about it and I'm not hiding that. It's like I'm hiding the way I'm reaching people cuz I'm like, oh, I just wanna coach. I just wanna do these things. I want to have this relationship, this container, that space. And then the marketing comes up and I'm like, oh, <laugh>,

Susan Hyatt (09:38):
<laugh>. I don't know the right way. So let me, yeah. I, I do think, um, as somebody who, you know, has, I've been an entrepreneur for almost 21 years and, and a coach, entrepreneur for almost 16. And it's interesting to observe the online space and the messaging that you're, that you're talking about because it's coming to us right through the lens of, as you say, all these different systems depending on who's saying it. And it is fascinating, for example, to see how things have changed and how things are exactly the same. You know, there's like some foundational things that are never gonna change, that are great, um, when you're trying to get your message out to your potential customers. And then there's always, I'm like, oh, wow, people are saying that again. You know, it's like just things get recycled and packaged differently. And that's where what you brought up I think is so important, is your own intuition to decide for yourself.

Um, there can be multiple things that are true at the same time and multiple strategies that can be effective depending on who you are and who you're speaking to. And so it's just interesting to, as it, like you're saying as a new entrepreneur to know like, oh, well how do I discern? Um, and I think the intuition that you brought up is ultimately I think one of the best guides because while something might be a really effective marketing strategy, it might not be for you mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so, you know, right. Like, I have friends that, that operate and market their businesses really differently than I do, and their strategies work for them. Um, and there have been times when I've like, well, maybe let me give this a shot and then I'm like, oh my God, I knew better. Right. <laugh>, or, or there can be things that surprise me, um, that might work, but I still don't like it. You know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so it's just interesting how our own guidance systems are always trying to lead us towards learning, um, uh, and then implementing what we learn in a way that makes sense for us and our own integrity.

Cecily Rose (12:04):
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I, I'm so, like, I, I feel like this journey of an entrepreneur, as new as it is, I've done contract work in the past, but being fully out and on my own, it's like this journey of big excitement and these like wonderful moments of like, whew, yeah, we got this, I'm ready to like, you know, jump on a racket and then the next moment of like, wow, I am so humbled right now. <laugh>

Susan Hyatt (12:33):
<laugh>. Right? I'm so humbled right now For sure. You know what humbles me? Facebook memories. I'm like, oh, oh, like 2009, Susan Hyatt thought she fucking knew everything. Or, right. Fill in the blank. I'm like, oh shit, I used to do that. Or I said that out loud. Um, so I think we also have to have compassion for our own selves and grace for our own selves of like, you know, dismantling patriarchy, white supremacy, misogyny, all of it from within ourselves. And the ableism. I mean, my god, some of the shit I used to say that I believed wholeheartedly, I just have to have compassion for myself. And did some of it work will define work? Like Yeah, that's the other thing. Like I just because it converts, quote unquote, does that mean it worked, quote unquote? I don't know. You tell me. Yep. Like what feels good at the end of the day,

Cecily Rose (13:44):
<laugh>? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Susan Hyatt (13:49):
So I think it's interesting. Um, so if you were gonna show up in business more authentically as you, without watering yourself down or dumbing yourself down, or hiding certain aspects of yourself, what might look different?

Cecily Rose (14:08):
I think that I'm, I'm actively figuring that out, right? Like I was listening to, um, Simone Grace Soul and her, um, garbage post challenge, right?

Susan Hyatt (14:20):
Yeah, yeah,

Cecily Rose (14:20):
Yeah. The whole thing about just getting the content out and like, even if it's a garbage post, you're still fulfilling the task, right? And so I've been working on that and noticing the changes in my body in terms of like, oh, I posted something and now you have to, there's like that anticipation of how people will react and engage. And I've realized that it really feels good when I'm most, um, really excited about something or just standing in like very honest mm-hmm. <affirmative>, those kind of are the two pieces that have felt really good and, um, not this, okay, you said discernment earlier, and that's one of, that's like my word for 2023. <laugh>. I mean it, the unofficial word. I'm like, oh, there it is again. Um, but discerning where who I am as a person becomes a natural and like a natural expression of self versus like a, um, novelty.

Susan Hyatt (15:26):

Cecily Rose (15:27):
And that's kind of the, the nuance, right? Because it's like, I know my, my, the people I wanna work with extend beyond native communities and native women mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but there is a certain level of appeal for me when I've worked with a native coach, right? And so I recognize that's an opportunity to connect with aligned, um, coach partners to connect with aligned clients. And I also want to be able to fully express how my, who I am as a person comes out for any of my clients and appears for any of them. Um, and that's in all the levels of like all the different touchpoints of who we are as people. Because I feel like, you know, I can be sophisticated and metropolitan kind of person. I also can be very resi. I live <laugh> in a town of 1500 people on the res, right?

So there's like, I, I'm a, an adaptable person and all of it is authentically me. And like allowing all of those nuances I and contradictions to exist within myself, I think is, that's difficult cuz people really do wanna compartmentalize, right? And so I feel like, um, being able to express that within a business setting is like, there's so many rules about how you look quote unquote professional, right? Yeah. And I'm like, a lot of that's rooted in all the systems we were talking about earlier. And so there's just this path and I keep thinking of it as like, I'm cecily the scientist, right? And like just conducting these experiments over and over again with a lot of curiosity rather than like, I have to get this right or my business will fail, I have to get this right. Or, you know, that kind of thinking. Yeah.

Susan Hyatt (17:18):
I love the way that you're saying that, and it's true, the contradictions within ourselves, I think that is allowing what you said about allowing the contradictions within ourselves to, to live freely and be expressed, I think is one of the ultimate forms of freedom. Um, particularly in business, because you are correct. People do wanna put you in a box. And so, and, and if any of y'all listening, don't believe us. Just go look at my Facebook ad comments, right? We're getting ready to launch <laugh> our Facebook guide campaign that, um, my designer went and pulled because they are very bear focused. So, um, I am, I am filling bear coach training and the mini challenge that we're doing is called the upgrade. And then there's a masterclass that's about visibility, but all the photos she pulled were from bear photo shoots and bear photo shoots were like, here I am in my underwear, you know, here I am, you know, there's all kinds of like, um, you know, me in a bubble bath and stuff like that.

The people in the comments, uh, I told everybody, uh, my Facebook ads strategist Jen, I was like, just be prepared to see comments you've, you've never seen. Okay. Just be prepared. People are gonna be so mad that I'm back in a bubble bath. Right? But it's like the contradiction of that I'm a life coach that helps people who also, you know, has the nerve to show some skin, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or, you know, I'm a mom who also, you know, runs a business or I'm an author who swears or I, you know, fill in the blanks mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so it's just interesting how if someone labels you in business as something, then if you show any ounce of being an actual human that's like, wait a minute, what I thought you were this quote unquote professional. Well, yeah, I'm professional who says fuck a lot, <laugh>.

Cecily Rose (19:27):
Thank you very fucking much.

Susan Hyatt (19:31):
And so what do you think is the part of you that you would like to flex more, um, and show the world more?

Cecily Rose (19:41):
So I think it relates to one of the thing that initially when you named like you gotta be on the podcast, there was that statistics thing that I was talking about, right? Like the thing, I'll say it in a little bit of a roundabout way. My cousin this past year has celebrated two years. She is, she was struggling, um, with meth for on and off for, I don't know, the last decade or so, and she's been two years, you know, off of meth, really thriving and just doing remarkably well. And it's been so wonderful right? To have her back. We are childhood, you know, best friends and cousins, like we're very close mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so to have her back in life and to witness her transformation and like all of the faith and belief I have in her to like see her stepping into that.

Um, not because I'm pushing it on her, but because of her own, it's coming from self. Right? Right. And the statistics on people being able to, um, recover from meth is it's 2%. Wow. And that's a pretty shocking statistic. And when I was, um, looking through, I'm in the Shmi club and I was looking through some of the information on women's businesses and it was 2% of women businesses that ever get over, um, 500,000 and then another 2% that ever reached the million dollar mark. And so I took a picture of that number and I sent it to her and I said, you've already beat a much harder, like, you've beaten, you've done 2% chance. Yes. Like, we could do this, right? Yes. And so, and she was just like, I wouldn't know where to start. And I, you know, and so we had that conversation, which led to me hosting events now at my house where I have these business ideation branches because I totally, I 100% believe in her capacity to she is warm, she is creative.

She is, she's like one of those people that you wanna be around. Like she's a person you wanna be around. Yeah. And so I know her ability, like I don't hold any limitations on her dreams, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> for my cousin. And so when we, when I started doing these events that were kind of inspired from that conversation, it became a space for people to think big and an event that that was supposed to last two hours lasted four. Wow. And everyone is like, we gotta do this again. Right. Because I think that's the important thing in a coach relationship. I'm not telling you what to do, I'm not, you know, giving you advice. I, it's like I'm holding space for possibility that doesn't damper what you think is possible. Certainly. But just there's a space there to be playful and imaginative and to dream.

And I think that's the thing that I want to express. And it's hard because when we're dealing with all of these interconnecting issues of social injustice, dreaming feels really, um, it can feel really foolish. Mm. It can feel really indulgent. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> it can feel really, um, privileged in many ways. And I think though at the same time that it's a very radical act. I think dreaming is an incredibly, um, transform the fuel that it creates, right? Is, is what can sustain us through all of the trials and tribulations. And so that's the thing I'm really trying to step into is how dreaming is not something that fools do. It's something that is incredibly practical. Um, yeah.

Susan Hyatt (23:31):
Ugh. I'm tearing up at that <laugh> cause I'm writing that down. Dreaming is not something that fools do. And I think that hearing it come from you is so powerful because, and I also made note to, to, uh, write a love letter to life coaches because so much of what we can see, um, online about the foolishness, not necessarily using that word of life coaching and how, you know, um, I just see posts all the time where business strategists are really, um, uh, sliding life coaching and some of the stuff that we do. And it's like, let me tell you something, <laugh>, when you, when you, um, create the space for someone to dream again and, and stop believing that it's foolish or indulgent or only for the ped, and we watch miracles happen every fucking day, okay? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and we Right. We're not the ones doing it.

We are, we are holding the space for it because what the client's truth is, is often so much bigger than what we could dream for them. Right? And it, and it, and so it's like you bringing that to your community and, and what you said about your cousin, I'm now remembering why my feet were sweating when I read that message on Instagram or Facebook, whatever it was. It's like 2%. Like she already did 2%. Right? And you are doing the 2% right. These, you two cousins are beating the 2% odds in business. And for her in overcoming an addiction to something that most people can't stop mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, it's absolutely unbelievable and amazing. And so if dreaming is not something that fools do, and you're part of this at least 2% club, if not higher, 1% 0.111%. Like when we start getting into multimillions, um, what are you, if, if you are able, when you do um, show up as authentically as you are and you create what you wanna create, what does that look like?

Cecily Rose (25:48):
Ooh. I think it really looks like the, and I ooh, Susan, I've been like really <laugh> challenged with that this past couple months. Cuz I feel like I've been getting myself into that space of being my authentic self more consistently. And it looks like a me that is joyful, that is, um, at ease with herself that is, um, confident but not, um, arrogant. Kind of like you were saying. Yeah. Yeah. Not arrogant or like, I have the answer. There's only one answer. It's just a confidence of like what I'm putting out. I have deep faith in and it's coming from a space of alignment who I am. And um, I think it also looks like being able to, you know, admit mistakes, being able to have that self-compassion and give space like the, the courageousness to show up as yourself in order to allow other people to do so.

Because I think I have often felt like kind of a, um, goofy kind of sometimes, I mean, pollyanna's not the right word. My, my <laugh> my former boss used to say that about herself that she was going Pollyanna, <laugh>. And um, mine was always like, I was quirky, right? And so sometimes it's like, I don't wanna do things that won't allow me to be taken seriously. And then I'm like, yeah, but I take this quirky stuff seriously. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I take this unique stuff seriously. So I have to pull that forward. Right? And that's the thing that makes me unique and different. Um, but it's really hard to sometimes navigate the judgment that comes along with people thinking that you're not, what you have to offer isn't necessarily as polished or professional or um, serious, you know, you're not serious. Hmm. So yeah.

Susan Hyatt (28:05):
I hope not. <laugh>,

Cecily Rose (28:07):

Susan Hyatt (28:09):
We have enough seriousness in the world. Um, and so how will we know, cuz I definitely wanna have you back on the show. How will we know when you are being authentically you in a way that is honoring context but not hiding?

Cecily Rose (28:36):
Hmm. I'm glad you mentioned context. Cause I was thinking of my top five strengths and, and I came up with this idea like on a November afternoon with my, you know, riding in the car with my partner. You'll know because I will have fully launched my dream life strategic planning like program. My course, like this thing that I've dreamed up that I'm super excited about, I will have stopped the, like, you know, futzing around with it, <laugh> and actually done the thing. Um, and what's it gonna take

Susan Hyatt (29:15):
To launch it? Like how far away are we?

Cecily Rose (29:18):
Okay. I have, my goal is June, June is my birthday month. It's like my gift to myself to actually get this rolling and out. And I've started building it out. Like I have the modules built out and what I get like caught in is the mechanics, right? Like where does it live? How do people interact? Is it this or that? And I decided I'm just gonna work with someone who's good at those components to get it squared away. And then I can provide the feedback. And so I want in June to have it fully booked right. And have the people who are interested in it, I want the cohort ready and we're gonna just rock it. That's, that's how you'll know, like, because that will be running and flowing and I'll be in my element, my five strengths are futuristic. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> ideal focus, relator and context. And so it's like this really interesting combination of like, I can see the future, I can, you know, hold space for like the ideal outcome. I can, you know, all of my strengths come into this, so it's like breathing for me a little bit. But it's also then it's like the difference between breathing and like building the lung <laugh>. I don't wanna build the lung <laugh>.

Susan Hyatt (30:36):
Right? Somebody else is building the lung. Yes. And then you're gonna be out there breathing online. Hey <laugh>, here's my thing. So what's the number one thing, the number one nervy kind of thought you need to have to get this going?

Cecily Rose (31:00):
The nervy thought, the very first thing that came up, and I know other people are gonna resonate with this, but like, like I'm gonna have the nerve to be very imperfect, to be like, I

Susan Hyatt (31:14):
Can do this imperfectly. Yeah.

Cecily Rose (31:16):
That imperfect. Yeah. Because I think that's what catches you up, right? That perfectionistic bullshit that you're just, you can't let it go and it's prevents all of the good that could be happening. Yes. And yeah, I'm so guilty of that so often. It's interesting how we would never hold that for someone else that will do that for ourselves. You hear other people and you're like, you're brilliant and then you go do something, you know, and you're like, wait a second. Okay, it's not perfect yet and I want the nerve to practice imperfection.

Susan Hyatt (31:50):
Well how about the, like that's an order. It must be imperfect. Okay. <laugh>, you are not allowed to launch something perfect. In fact, we could make the argument that if you launch it and it's perfect, you've wasted time.

Cecily Rose (32:05):

Susan Hyatt (32:07):
Like you've wasted. Great. Because okay, here's for all you perfectionists. I know y'all are like itching, like that whole concept, but like, really think about it. It it doesn't have to be. And I drive perfectionists that work with me absolutely crazy because I am a recovered and I can say fully recovered perfectionist because I'm just like uhuh, like it's a b plus ship it, you know, like, get it outta my face. I'm onto the next thing. And somebody who's futuristic and, and big with like ideation like you are mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you wanna keep your capacity for that. Yes. And let somebody else build the lung, as you said. And if it's perfect, yes. If there are no typos or no mistakes or no, like things to improve upon, you have left money on the table.

Cecily Rose (33:00):
Okay. All right. I am taking that to heart because it does give, it's, it's like the odd way of looking at it that way. Somehow the permission feels like, all right, it feels so accessible.

Susan Hyatt (33:11):
It really is. And listen for everybody listening, I'm not saying like produce crappy things into the world, that's not what I'm saying. But I guarantee if you're a perfectionist, your B or b plus is more than good enough, right? You wanna be helping people in real time and not delaying healing because you wanna check the spelling on every fricking thing. Let somebody else do that. Get outta your own way. Um, so 2% or 1% club

Cecily Rose (33:42):
<laugh>. That's great.

Susan Hyatt (33:43):
I'm obsessed.

Cecily Rose (33:46):
Well, and it's like the, like what we're saying is like the difference between excellence and perfection, right? We can still have a lot of excellence without perfection. It's not required by any stretch. And yeah, I'm excited too. I feel like, um, I feel like this journey is one where I'm continuing to resist the things that people think I should be mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, especially when it comes to like, oh, well you should be, you know, like you should be a helper. You should be a this, you should be a that. And not that I'm not helping, but I'm helping in my way, which is with joy and enthusiasm and dreaming versus a lot of native folks get pushed into, oh, you should be a nurse, you should be a teacher, you should be these other very care oriented things. And I think it's okay for us to be in every sector in every space Yeah. In all these different capacities. And I do think that life coaching has its own care factor, but it's a co-creation. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, right? It's such a magical co-creation rather than, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Like <laugh>

Susan Hyatt (35:04):
Like service.

Cecily Rose (35:06):

Susan Hyatt (35:07):
Like in a traditional you're a dream weaver. A dream catcher.

Cecily Rose (35:10):
Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was putting on my thing a dream weaver, and then I have these daydream hours every month that I'm hosting. They're like the free thing. So I'm having a daydream hour and they are so fun. And then I was actually thinking about that's like the more like, ooh, get into the stuff. Then I was thinking about having a dream catcher hour actually, cuz it lines in, you know, like I'm native, you know, whatever. But like the dream catcher would be, the whole idea is it catches the bad things, right? And I was like, let's, let's have a conversation about like how are we like catching those bad thoughts or those habits or those, you know, just being mindful of how we're keeping those things. Um, not always at base. Sometimes we have to inspect 'em, right? You have to like, look, see what's on there, but what are we doing to move through all these things? So I have a ton of ideas about offerings that I'm going to put out there.

Susan Hyatt (36:05):
Listen, I'm obsessed with this dream weaver hour and then the dream catcher follow up. Yeah. Um, ab 100% <laugh>. And, um, will, would you be willing to come back on the show and talk about Absolutely. How all of this went?

Cecily Rose (36:24):
Yes, absolutely. Most definitely.

Susan Hyatt (36:27):
We want a, a cousin updates as well.

Cecily Rose (36:30):
I know. I've been trying to tell her she and I need to do a couple things and she's like, I'm working, I'm busy. And I'm like, quit hiding

Susan Hyatt (36:38):
<laugh>. Aw. Well listen, I, I am um, I'm so grateful that you took the time to come on the show and talk about this. I know people listening, there are lots of entrepreneurs in this audience, um, that will get inspiration, uh, from hearing about your process of, of showing up more authentically. And if people want to, I'm gonna put it in the show notes, but if people wanna learn more about you, where's the best place for them to go?

Cecily Rose (37:06):
Absolutely. So, um, there's my website. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you can go to Cecily rose.co. Z e c i l y r o s e dot c o mm-hmm <affirmative>. Um, I'm also on Instagram, Cecily Rose, l l c. You can find me there. Um, yeah. And if you ever in need of a gorgeous bag or some gorgeous jewelry, I also have another business where I make jewelry and parle purses and all kinds of cool stuff. So, oh my gosh, that I'm not gonna

Susan Hyatt (37:37):
<laugh>. Of course. We'll put that in the show nose.

Cecily Rose (37:40):
Okay. <laugh>, definitely.

Susan Hyatt (37:42):
That's wanna support all those things.

Cecily Rose (37:44):
Thank you. Yeah, that's Rosie Mattau, but it's Mattau is Bear in Lakota and that was one of my nicknames as a kid cuz my middle name is Rose. So Rosie Mattau is my product based business.

Susan Hyatt (37:56):
I love it. All right. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It has been a delight.

Cecily Rose (38:05):
Thank you Susan. Thank you for having me. I truly appreciate it.

Susan Hyatt (38:12):
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