Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm master certified life coach Susan Hyatt and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey.
Oh hey, this is for everybody who thinks you can't make money as an artist. Alright, because I've got one of my big yes energy founding community members, Jamila Hume with me and Jamila is a self-taught artist. She creates luxurious and whimsical oil paintings that elevate hearts and spaces. She spent her 44th birthday in Florence, Italy where she launched her second act life as a painter. Her works have been featured in British Vogue and she uses painting as a vehicle to create community for women. Her works are inspired by nature and her offering to her community reminds them of beauty, serenity, and enchantment that exists in nature and within themselves. So we talk about how she went from corporate to canvas, embracing her second act in life as an artist. So before we get into the interview, let's have a little heart to heart about second acts.
When you're thinking about what's next for you and making a big change in life, I'm encouraging you to imagine your future self waving at you from down the road. She's got this, she's saying, listen, I've been there, I've done that. She's got that look on her face and she's inviting you to join her on an adventure. So you can either stay put in your comfy, but maybe too familiar life or you can take the path less traveled. The one that says, let's see what I can really do. Let's just see what's really out there for me. So most people get stuck at the beginning of a big change and they'll think or say to me, but Susan, where the hell do I start? First things first, you need a second act plan. Your second wind, you are the second wind. Think of it as your personal GPS guiding you from where you are to where you want to be because winging it, like that's really not going to get you where you want to go.
It's going to get you actually nowhere. You need a plan that's practical, aligned with your goals, and most importantly, full of yes moments for you. Here comes the tricky part. Almost everyone who's about to leap into something new asks themselves, who do I think I am? It's like a nagging voice in your head, second guessing your every move. But guess what? That voice doesn't get to be the driver. Nope, you do. It's normal to feel this way. I mean, hello, culture at large patriarchy programming. It's just normal for this question to pop up, but we're not going to let it derail your plant. So how do you do that time for a little bit of detective work? Okay, my friends call me Angela Lansbury murder. She wrote, I love playing detective. So let's look back at your life and make a list of all the times that you've successfully made any kind of change.
Maybe you aced a big project at work. Maybe you mastered a new recipe. Hello. I don't know if you follow me on social media, but for the first time in my 50 years I successfully baked, I made scones and it was as if when those mofos came out of the oven perfected golden delicious. It was the same feeling sensation I had when I held my first book in my hands. So that counts. So big project. Maybe you mastered a new recipe, maybe you organized a chaotic closet. Maybe you coached one of your kids to stop being hesitant about their own goals and dreams. Whatever it is, write it down. This list is proof that you can make things happen. It's like a highlight reel of your awesomeness and ability to make actual changes. Maybe once upon a time you put down cigarettes or alcohol or sugar, right?
You can do hard things. So let's talk about beliefs. What's one empowering belief that you want to hold onto during this journey? How about something like I'm worth it, simple, yet powerful, repeat after me. I'm worth this amazing, exciting, slightly scary, but totally worth it, second act in my life or something like it's my time now, my time. This is your time to shine, to chase your dreams, to dance in the rain metaphorically or literally your choice. Remind yourself daily that you deserve this second wind. You deserve this next act. You're not being selfish at all. You're being brave. You're being vulnerable. There's this magical word that I love the word yes, yes, it's short, sweet, and it packs a punch. Say yes to invitations, new experiences, yes to learning, yes to stepping out of your comfort zone. Each yes is a step toward the life you're meant to live.
And along the way you're going to make mistakes and that's okay. Mistakes are like those quirky tour guides that take you off the beaten path. I had one of those on the Camino. They show you things that you might not have seen or experienced otherwise. I mean, mistakes are good. Embrace mistakes, learn from them and then let them go. And the little victories along the way, like my scones, pause and celebrate them. Honestly, I feel like our ability to celebrate wins is one of the biggest markers of sustainable success. You heard me and almost everyone I start working with has a really hard time celebrating wins. So I'm teaching something called the celebration factor in my yes group. So whether it's sticking to your second act plan for a week or making a small decision that aligns with your goals, give yourself a pat on the back.
These wins, no matter how small, how quiet, how big, how flashy are what keep you moving forward. And also nobody is meant to journey this alone. So gather your support, squad, your friends, family, mentors, your cat, anyone who's got your back. These are the folks who will cheer you on lend and ear and maybe even go for a rage walk with you on those not so great days. And if you're searching for your squad, I'm just going to unabashedly plug my big yes energy program because it's full of a community of women who cheer each other on. Remember, your second act plan is a guide, not a contract. Hear me? Say that again. Your second act plan is a guide, not a contract. Life is full of surprises and sometimes you need to be water flowing and adapting. Stay flexible and open to changes because who knows, the detours often lead to some of the best parts of your journey.
So your second act might not unfold overnight, and that's perfectly fine. Trust the process, enjoy the adventure, the ride, take in the sight and keep it moving forward is a pace. And finally, don't wait for someday to start. The perfect time is now. Decide right now while you're listening to this very moment, take that first step. No matter how small, text somebody send the email, say the thing because your future self is cheering you on. And I bet she's got some incredible stories to share. So what do you say, ready to take that leap and embrace your second act? I thought so. So let's dive into the interview with Jamila. Welcome finally to You've got Nerve Jamila.
Jamila Hume (10:17):
Hello Susan. It's great to be here.
Susan Hyatt (10:20):
Oh my God. So y'all, Jamila is a fabulous member of Big Yes Energy, but Jamila and I go a little ways back and Jamila has been part of summer of Yes. And back when we first were introduced to one another, talk a little bit about what you were doing in corporate and as a life coach.
Jamila Hume (10:46):
Okay, so I met you Susan in 2015 when you were part of Dr. Martha Beck's life coach training class. Yes. And I remember listening to all the challenges you were going through raising your kids and setting boundaries and your energy was just jumping through the phone. And I at the time was still working in mining. So I have a master's in anthropology and I worked in mining in the resources sector. Basically my job was to keep CEOs and chair people out of jail, like establishing their regulations and making sure our policies are aligned with the best practices and the regulations of the country, the host country and the parent company's country. So I was analytical and then in the field with communities all over the world, and I was then living in Greece and I came to a situation where I wasn't allowed to work because the economy was really bad and they weren't going to give anyone outside of Greece an opportunity. So even though I'm an EU resident, I couldn't work. So I decided, okay, I'll do life coach training and yoga training. And I did that. And then the following year I joined up to your go get it. Oh my God. That's right.
Susan Hyatt (12:08):
So for those of you listening, Ellen Fler, I was just on Ellen and Heidi Rose Robbins podcast, which is called Chart Your Course, which is about astrology and career. And Ellen and I were just musing about our go get it class together and you go get it person. I forgot.
Jamila Hume (12:31):
Yeah, I was. And I was really sick one day I had influenza and I was lying around just sort of bemoaning, what am I going to do? I've been trained as a life coach, I want to work with women, but I don't really want to work around diet and nutrition. And that's what people kept coming to me for and I was just exhausted by it. So I joined, go get it. And someone in the hot seat coaching said to you, I just want to be a world renowned artist. I want to sell my art internationally. And everything stopped for me in that moment. And I had a moment of truth where I said, actually that's what I want. And I had never painted before. I'd never done art before. I was just, well, I had as a child but not as an adult. And that rung true, I think her name was Christine or Christina, I don't know what it was.
And your response was, you already are. I've got your art in my house, you're already there. What's your hiccup? And I can't remember the rest of the call because all I did was go inside and think about what about this is so powerful to me and why have I ignored this? So I got off the call and was trying to make that statement that this woman had said in a hot seat fit for me. Why does this resonate? What's going on? And so I spent a couple of days and I came up with a plan. That's it. I'm going to go to Florence and learn to paint.
Susan Hyatt (13:58):
Wait, wait, hold on.
Jamila Hume (14:00):
Susan Hyatt (14:01):
People listening to this, you really have to, Jamila has a lot of nerve on tap. So she's like, notice how someone said something and she came alive inside and was like, oh wow, that's actually what I think I want. And then you book an art class in Florence.
Jamila Hume (14:24):
Yep. I decided. So the whole thing was really amazing because I had had this corporate career and then I trained as a life coach and all of a sudden I'm doing a complete pivot away from all of that and saying, no, no, there's something deep inside of me that wants to do this. And I figured, well, where else I'm living in Greece, where could I go in Italy? Florence, that's it. So I found an Airbnb and I booked it for six weeks. I found an art college that I booked into. And when I got there I just threw my hands up and said, this is what I want to do. And they all looked at me like I was mad because this art college was teaching renaissance style oil painting with egg tempra, mixing your own oil paints. They're painting baby. And I said, oh no, I don't want to do that. I want to use a pallet knife and paint flowers. And they were like, okay. So they put me in the corner and just let me do my own thing. And that's how it started for me.
Susan Hyatt (15:21):
Wow. Okay. And so what did you learn in that class and when you went home, what did you decide?
Jamila Hume (15:31):
So in the classes, they weren't actually classes. So what happened was they had the studio, the school was open from 11 to seven daily, but they kind of only advertised that the tutors were there between three and seven if you wanted help. So some days I'd go in at 11 and play around, and some days I'd go in at three and leave at seven. And they taught me some very fundamentals of oil painting. But the rest of it, I had to figure out myself. It's that whole fuck around and figure it out and allow yourself. And I was really hiccuped to buy how beautiful everybody else's art was. So I created a mantra for myself, which was just make ugly art. I give myself permission to make ugly art because in the process of not having any expectations for yourself, you actually figure things out and you blossom.
You're not afraid to fumble, scrape things back, start over, chuck things out. And so that's been my mantra and it still is figure it out, play around and allow yourself the privilege of making ugly art because you're still in process, you're in a process of self-discovery and discovery. And so what I did at the end of six weeks is I went home to Greece and my paintings had dried and arrived back. And as the unveilings happened, everyone in the room had tears. And I said to the people in the room, this is something no one can ever take from me. It's in me. And I felt very empowered probably for the first time in my life something very authentic was coming out. And I went back to Florence and I ended up spending 18 months there. So I left everything
Susan Hyatt (17:19):
Jamila Hume (17:20):
I just wanted to paint.
Susan Hyatt (17:22):
Okay. And then when did you decide, because you had a lot of concern about what will everybody think and some really specific everybody's. So talk about that and how did you overcome that?
Jamila Hume (17:40):
So I have come from a first family where everyone has a role. So my brother's the photographer, so he that eye, my sister's the physician, so she has that brain. And I sort of was this floaty person who was the artsy in anthropology, but I always felt like I didn't have space around me to be me. And in particular in my marriage, my husband's first wife went to art school and was an artist and I was a corporate person who suddenly had this pivot of, well, I want to be an artist too. And it felt like, who am I to do this and what is everyone going to say? And is my art of value and am I good enough to be able to claim that title? And I think I revered it because I've always loved artists and art and aesthetic is important to me.
Beauty is important to me. And I had a really high standard of can I create something that I would find beautiful and will people point at me and laugh and say, oh God, look at her. She's just the wifey over there trying her hand and painting flowers and how twe. And so I had this whole story and I hid a lot for years. I hid and had to overcome my own hiccups. And then one day I woke up and said, I can't die with this inside of me. And that was it. Then I silenced everything and just said, I'm just going to get my head down block everybody, stop looking at what everybody else is making. Stop. Look at what everybody else is purchasing and just create for me. And I had tried for two years, all these different styles of art, even though I had a very particular style myself that had sold in Italy, I'd sold my first three paintings right away. And then I thought, this is too easy. There must be something that I'm doing wrong.
Susan Hyatt (19:33):
I'm sure many of my listeners can really identify with that when things are going well or it seems in ease or flow that there's something wrong. We're not used to that.
Jamila Hume (19:45):
It just came so quickly and so lovely. And then I thought, oh no, this isn't right. And then I wounded for two years and it was actually during Covid where I just said, I'm going back to me. And that was another shift in pivot where I shut everything out and painted something. And during during lockdown, I was stuck in a northern small town in Western Australia and I received a phone call from a gentleman who said, I want to buy this painting for my wife. And I was like, okay. And had no systems in place, no practice. I'm like, oh, well I guess I'll just email you and do you want to take it now or do you want me to deliver it? It was just this very free flowing, easy conversation. Turns out he's a very famous chef and he's on tv and the painting was put behind him. And so every weekend in Australia, my painting is behind the chef. That totally catapulted me to the next level of big art, big flowers, bold colors, and my signature style,
Susan Hyatt (20:57):
Which y'all we're going to obviously put a link to all the things in the show notes. Her style is so gorgeous. And I think I remember right, because we've been in touch through all these various phases, and so I probably have Instagram or Facebook messaging or email evidence of every one of these phases because you're like, you're not going to believe it. I remember the first time it was like after go get it. You're not going to believe it. I'm not going to pursue growing this coaching business. I'm going to become an artist. I was like, go. And then the messages about, well, who am I because my ex or my husband's ex was an artist? People are going to say, who does she think she is?
Jamila Hume (21:49):
Susan Hyatt (21:50):
Right. And then now, right, okay, so when you decided to go back to your style and this chef featured your work behind him prominently, then it was a journey of pricing.
Jamila Hume (22:07):
That's right. And do you remember you asked me how much my painting was and I was like, I don't know. And then you laughed and said, Dela, you've just blocked a sale. And I said, really? I did. I had no concept. I don't come from a background of sales. So then it was, I had better do some reading on sales and marketing and direct sales and pricing. And one of my friends said, look at the art, repeat the price and just keep repeating the price until it rolls off your tongue.
Susan Hyatt (22:39):
Jamila Hume (22:39):
The other thing that was really interesting for me was people in my very inner circle told me two things, three things. One, the painting is very nice, but really you need to just focus on women and life coaching, which made my heart sink. Two, no one is going to buy big art. Don't paint big art three, no one is going to pay $5,000 for art. Fast forward to my first solo show, all I did was paint massive paintings. All the $5,000 pieces were sold on the first day. Amazing. I collected data. The whole point is you just have to keep collecting data and say, okay, that's your opinion. I'm not going to give weight to your opinion more than what I know to be true for me. Because that's what women do all the time. We go, oh, the weight of this person's words are heavier than my own instincts. And I silenced everyone and said, no, this is what I know. This is what I feel and this is what I know. And I have not stopped since then.
Susan Hyatt (23:42):
I mean it was just like a faucet got turned on and as soon as you gave yourself permission to do what you wanted, large art charging 5K, that was when things got really happening. And I also will say many people listening, you articulated it so succinctly and beautifully that women are told all the time that our inner knowing and our dreams are not reasonable or that's just not going to happen. And with my own coaching business, who's going to pay that? Or that doesn't seem like something that people will buy or why are you messing around with that? Whatever
Jamila Hume (24:34):
It might be. But you know, why would we want reasonable dreams? This is the whole thing. I just kind of go like, why would you want to have small, reasonable, manageable, put in a square? Dreams you're not expanding if you're doing that. We have to give our, that's why I went back to Italy for 18 months. I was like, I can't be around people telling me that this isn't going to work. I need to just go build up that muscle of belief within me away from family for everything that I knew because I wanted to birth a new me and I had had this corporate career, I had to let go of all of that. I had to shut it all down, give the suits away, give the dress shirts, all of it had to go in order to figure out who am I as this new person that I've always actually been.
So the funny story is somebody asked me, did you paint as a child? Did you do art as a child? And I couldn't remember. And then one day I remembered, and so this is the other part of the story for people who are reclaiming themselves, that I was always very, very artistic as a child. I was always very handsy. And I remember in grade seven, my childhood teacher gave us a book review and she said, you can present this book review any way you want. She gave us these different methodologies for communicating. And one of them was Draw illustrate six big posters, the plot through six posters. And I was the only person in the class that did it. And I spent for the first time in school, I spent weeks on it. And my mom was constantly saying, it's time to go to bed.
You've got to go. I was obsessed and loved it and I blossomed, I remember in that moment. But our house burnt down and we lost everything when I was a child shortly thereafter. And I never touched art again because there was this, we need to buy sheets and new furniture and find a house and do all of that. And I never felt the power to say to my family I would like some art supplies. It just felt frivolous. And I had that sense of scarcity and frivolity. Art is frivolous. Art is an add-on art is a luxury rather than art is actually a necessity. We communicate so much through art. We enliven a space. We bring people peace and ease through art. It is a powerful tool that both unites people. For me, it's a vehicle for creating community, but it's also a way of inviting people to take a pause from the busyness of everyday life. And so it's not a frivolity, it is like a grassroots foundation for peace and beauty. God,
Susan Hyatt (27:23):
So beautiful. And just you talking about it, I'm sure everyone listening, whatever your passion is or whatever your big dream is or secret dream or thing that you haven't formed words out loud to talk about, I really believe they can all be typically all be traced to what we lost track of time doing as children or what we were chastised or shamed for as children and as just interesting to think about that seventh grade artist who felt the financial pressure of the family and then connected art with frivolity in a negative way instead of a positive. And now reclaiming that.
Jamila Hume (28:17):
Yeah, it's so true. And I think you could do that with anything, books, food, home, gyms, anything that you can say, I'm not worthy, but actually it's what you say. It's what really told Rogers say. It's like you give value every time you put something out into the world. So around pricing, I was really stuck and one day I realized none of these materials cost $5. And so the quality. So I went and created this whole value structure in myself as a human and in my business. And then I work with that generosity, value generating quality, layered inclusion. So I look at all of that when I paint and I also price when I look at my prices, I realize this is what the value of what I'm doing, this is what I'm giving. And there's a connection there and there's a longevity and a sustaining longevity around the art as well. When we as women are told, don't aspire to that or don't go, that's too high. It's somebody else's discomfort. They haven't worked through their own values. They're not working from a place of business values or personal values and putting it out into the world, they're coming from their place of their personal baggage. It has nothing to do with me.
Susan Hyatt (29:42):
Correct, correct. And just like anything, whether it's, I agree with you that art is foundational, it's a unifier, it's a community builder, but not everyone understands or values art in that way. And so of course maybe you wouldn't pay $5,000 for this gorgeous piece of art to hang in your home and bless you every day. So you're not the right customer for that.
Jamila Hume (30:07):
Yeah, that's right. And it's even interesting that I had rejection after rejection from galleries at the start, which because they're so big and they're at a different price point. And so two and a half years ago, I contacted a gallery and she said, look, love too big, too expensive. My people won't want it. Fast forward. Last June she was invited to come to something with me and she's like, I've been following you. How exciting your art's? Amazing. And then I realized one of the reasons she was too big is because this big, so moving the art just seemed impossible for her. So she said, I really love your art. I love what you're doing. Can I invite you to a group show? And it was like she'd rejected me two years ago. So I said, absolutely. And to make it easy, I said to her, I will deliver the art.
I will stay and hang it with you. And when the show's over, I will help you take the art off the wall. I will help you wrap it. I will help you ship it. And it was like, great. So the group show did really well. All of my paintings sold. And then she said, can I offer you a solo show at my gallery for next May, 2024? And I said, I would be delighted. And so for anyone who's like, but they rejected me, they rejected me. It's not a hard no, it's a just not right now. Everything is just just not right now.
Susan Hyatt (31:32):
Correct. I mean, I talk with entrepreneurs about this all the time. If someone says, I have so many people in my world as customers that it took them a long while to decide to invest. And so they previously said no, which is true not right now. And what you said before about her, sometimes we don't really understand the reasons why people say no. And you realize later it's like, oh, it's because her stature is so tiny that there was a practical element to it probably. But even if I have had the experience, and I know many of my clients have as well, where people will discount you, they will not believe in your vision, and then later they can become your biggest fan because they just weren't ready. Often your art Jamila is ahead of the game, or your idea or your event or whatever it is, is just sometimes people aren't early adopters or early clients. And I think it's like we're playing the long game.
Jamila Hume (32:46):
Absolutely. And that was one of the key things that I've realized is you want longevity in whatever you're trying to build. It has to be a sustaining both personally and financial business. And so things take a lot longer than the instaworld would have you think. And I think you have to give yourself that long runway of evolution, of growth, of transformation, and of consistently putting out quality work. People want to see you do consistent quality work over a long-term because their brand, if they're going to take you on, is going to be affiliated with your brand. So one of the biggest things is we think art is just art. It's actually your brand. You're creating a business with a brand and a model that other people either agree with or don't agree with. And galleries and collectors and inquisitors that take you on, they buy into your brand and your vision for your life, for their life, the values. And so it takes a while to get that message out there. And people give up too soon.
Susan Hyatt (33:50):
They really do. That message has been coming to me over and over and over again from a variety of sources where it's like I used to always say, or I still say it, but don't quit before the miracle happens. And I think that sometimes, and many of you listening probably feel that way, particularly at the end of a year where you're like, I'm tired, I'm done. I'm not going to do one more post. I'm not going to send one more email. I'm not going to host one more gallery opening, whatever it might be. The thing is, if it's something that you're devoted to and serious about, you have to keep showing up until it happens. We just don't quit before the miracle happens. We won't. Yeah.
Jamila Hume (34:40):
And also there is no end of year, I
Susan Hyatt (34:44):
Jamila Hume (34:44):
Understand it just like this is a long continuous, I'm like, these are months in a calendar, but just because it's the end of the year, it's like, no, it doesn't end. I just can't wrap my head around that of the year I'm giving up. I'm like, wait a second, but this is your life. This is just another day, another month in your life. We're just keeping going. Keep on the path people
Susan Hyatt (35:08):
Listen, I agree with you. I agree with you. And I take a holiday a couple weeks off during the holidays, but it's a couple weeks off. My mind doesn't go like, oh, now it's time to wind everything down and I'll just try again next year. It's like next year's in a couple of
Jamila Hume (35:27):
Weeks. I know, I know. And it's all one long continuum, right? It's like this long continuum that the year set up in Australia, it's a financial year. It's the 1st of July to the 30th of June in America, north America. It's the 1st of January to the 31st of December, whatever it is, it's just for finance. It's not your life.
You're just going to keep going and look at it. I like what we've done in the year of yes, the big yes energy. It's like, look at your life in quarters. What do you want to accomplish this quarter? And everything has to bold into itself naturally. I've just had an incredibly busy quarter. It's not over yet. And the show that I'm in right now runs until the 18th of December, and then I've got other things going on, and then next year has already started. I've got commissions I need to do before Christmas. It's one long sustainable path of living your joy. It's not a start and stop.
Susan Hyatt (36:28):
I agree. And I think that start and stop energy is what I think people lose momentum that they may have created because they have this attitude of starting in the United States, at least around Halloween, where they're just like, oh, it's like I'm all for, y'all know. I love hoa. I love cozy season, but cozy doesn't mean not show up for your dream.
Jamila Hume (36:59):
Yeah, that's right. That's right. And sometimes I think Susan, showing up for your dream means sitting down and having a hard conversation with yourself since this big energy year I created, I know when we spoke last December about me joining the year program, I said, I have an annual revenue goal. And you doubled it.
Susan Hyatt (37:22):
You're like, I
Jamila Hume (37:23):
Did. This is what you're going to do. And I was like, dear in the headlights. But what it made me do was break down every single month and say, well, this is what I want to earn every single month. And it became realistic and possible, but it also became one of, if I want to create this, what are the sustaining practices I need to hold dear to me? And one of the things that I shared with you, which I haven't shared with your listeners, is that I used to be really addicted to exercise. And I was in a program with a woman that I participated with for eight years where the message was an hour and a half a day, six times a week. And I remember going, I'm not sure about this. Especially when I went to Florence. I remember being in my flat doing the program, and at one point in the middle of class, I went, what the F am I doing?
The Tuscan Hills are there, get out. And I quit. I was like, this is a new me. I'm not this person anymore. And it was really a shock to my system and to my mental health because I was like, nothing can start until I've done this workout. And so what I did was I slowly let that go and replaced all of that with long walks in the Tuscan Hills and sitting under trees. And I wanted energy to go to galleries. I wanted energy to go to the museums. I wanted energy to paint big. And if I was exhausted and numb from the exercise because I was afraid of what I was feeling inside, which was I wasn't living my truth. I wanted to be an artist. I wanted to live a bigger life than what I had. And look, I had a great life. People who know me back when I was in mining were like, what are you talking about?
But I had something true inside of me that wanted to come out and I was numbing it through exercise, people numb it through food, through alcohol, through shopping, whatever. I did it that way. And it's acceptable in quotations way of managing addiction, right? But I was exhausted, mentally exhausted, had no creative energy. So I had to give that up in order to allocate energy to my big dream. And sometimes that can be scary for people, but I did it. And now my mantra every day is consistent sustained energy. So while I have that big revenue goal, I also say, how am I going to consistently sustain my energy? What do I need to eat? How much sleep do I need? Who do I need to be around? Who do I need to avoid and what do I need to do to feel good to do this? And sometimes that answer is rest, and sometimes it's long walks sometimes, oh my God, I've got a lot of nervous energy. Let's do dance. So it's about stopping and being responsive to how I'm feeling, which it took me a long time to learn how to do that. And I think women are not given the space, or we don't take the space to sit and listen to what our brains, hearts and bodies need and want.
Susan Hyatt (40:33):
Well, and I think you articulated why I have this gig so beautifully to help women create sustainable conditions for thriving and to listen to their inner guidance. And a lot of the research that I'm doing right now about midlife, don't even get me hot under the collar because I know we only have a few minutes left, but really about how that period of time that you and I are in right maiden mother to crone, there's a whole gap there. Leapt out on purpose of between motherhood and crone where we're the most dangerous.
Jamila Hume (41:15):
We don't give a flying fuck. We
Susan Hyatt (41:17):
Really don't. We don't give a fuck anymore about the male gaze. We're not beholden to any of these things anymore. And we can take a stop, a stand and embrace what it is that we really, really want in a different than we did in our earlier lives,
Jamila Hume (41:36):
I have to say. Well, the big year of yes. So the go get it really put the fire under me because I heard myself and then I spent all that time nurturing it and moved all over the world. So was stop, start, stop, start. And it really was when I got my studio in 2021, I've worked full-time as an artist, and the big year of yes has enabled me to own the new identity because that was January, 2023 or 2022. Who do you want to be? The woman who achieves this says yes to this and no to this. And my list was six pages.
Susan Hyatt (42:12):
Jamila Hume (42:13):
Six pages of this is what I do, this is what I don't do. And it really ruffled feathers. And I know in the group we've had discussions about how people around us, their feathers are ruffled because we're not acquiescing. We're not so accommodating to everyone else's needs. I love it. I love that. I'm like, I'm just not around here for you. I'm not here for your pleasure. I'm here for my own cravings and my own desires and I'm going to honor them. And so when you're in a community of women who are all cheering you on, it's easier to say no with support and get pushback and continue the no. Because on the other side of that, no is all these yeses. And that's where we want to be living in the space of Yes.
Susan Hyatt (43:00):
That is so beautifully put. That's where we want to be living in the space of Yes. Now of course, I'm going to put everything about how people can find you in the show notes, your art, how to purchase art from you, what's your biggest yes for 2024. And then tell us how people can hang out with you if they want
Jamila Hume (43:23):
Susan Hyatt (43:23):
A at your stuff
Jamila Hume (43:25):
Ship. Shifting a little bit of my business model in 2024 in January, I'm going to make a little bit of an announcement on my website. So direct sales are going to be a lot easier and shipping is going to be a lot easier. So that's all I'm going to say about that right now. But I am running a retreat for women to Italy where I bruised myself in September, 2024, and it's to Florence and it involves everything that I love and I figured everything I love is everything my community loves. So there's a hike from Bologna to Rnz to Florence that's 135 kilometers. We're going to do the last two days of eight to 10 miles and sort of gather up and release everything and then end up walking into Florence and spend five to seven days in Florence doing a bunch of wonderful art and personal development activities.
So an art class, a pottery class, calligraphy, cooking classes, horrors, wine tours, contos at night. And all of it will be from a perspective of someone who lived there for 18 months, so less sort of touristy and more locals like a local, what they do, like the local and where they're off to and what they do in the markets. The whole idea is I had my massive pivot there and I released and birthed myself in a really quite magical way. And so I want to create an opportunity for women to come along that path of transformation there. Art is always a vehicle for connection. Art is a vehicle to reflect. Art is a vehicle to find beauty and aesthetic and bring it in whatever size and shape into your life. And so I want to be able to do that. So I'll do that in September and just keep painting and offering workshops for women.
So it's more, I guess it's right after. Go get it. I heard this message to myself, which was just build community. And so while art is what I do, I think what it does is actually bigger. It builds community. And I had this incredible experience. I know we're running out of time, but I had this incredible experience on Saturday at the show opening where this couple came in and they were really shy and they were looking around and it came about later that they hadn't had a lot of experience going to art events and art galleries and purchasing art. So there was trepidation. And they looked and they were mulling things over, and they went to the pub and had a drink. And then they came back and they bought one. And the minute they bought one, they told the gallery owner that the story of the woman had been following me for a while.
Her husband was really excited. They'd never come to anything like this before. They were really nervous, but now they're really excited. And so I went up to them and just embraced them. They were farmers and they'd driven two and a half hours and they were just beaming with excitement. And then I ended up chatting with the woman and we had all these common traits, shared common traits between us. And so I kind of feel like art is a unifying force for me and my community where we just come together and share our stories and our hearts and feel connected. I think that's the biggest thing people are feeling a lack of in our culture at the moment, is real human connection. So I hope to do more of that next year.
Susan Hyatt (47:00):
Good. And I'm glad that you're part of my community. You bring so much connection to my world. You bring so much light to big Yes energy. And I'm just so delighted to highlight what you're up to in the world. And I could listen to you literally talk all day. You have so many good stories and so many wonderful things to say. And so I want to thank you for being on. You've got Nerve because you definitely have a lot of it. And I hope thanks. I hope that y'all will go check Jamila's Art Out. She's an amazing bright light. What a talent. Thank you for being here.
Jamila Hume (47:39):
Thank you, Susan. And I want to say for anyone listening, I have no training in this. And if you persevere and follow your biggest dream, it will happen. Give yourself a long runway. I think that's how we make it in this world. There's no start and there's no end. It's one continuum
Susan Hyatt (48:03):
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