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The Nerve to Outsmart Jetlag Featuring Allyson Scammell

Do you love traveling but hate jet lag? 

I have a pretty magical relationship with jet lag that I never quite understood. At the end of 2022, I took a whirlwind trip, traveling to Morocco, Portland, and Singapore in a single month… and I didn’t have an ounce of jet lag. 

I’ve always wanted to organize my thoughts around jet lag, but couldn’t quite cobble them together. That’s why I’m thrilled to have my client Allyson Scammell with me on the podcast today. 

Allyson is a master intuitive business coach, psychic medium, and energy healer. Her mission is to help soul-guided leaders, influencers, and entrepreneurs to upgrade their energy frequency to gain unstoppable momentum in life and business. As the founder of the Soul Guide Academy, Allyson has helped thousands of leaders and lightworkers to earn more, serve more, and grow spiritually along the way. She regularly shares priceless wisdom and insight on Soul Guide Radio, a podcast for soul-guided influencers ready to unlock massive soul-aligned success. 

Like me, Allyson has a special relationship with jet lag and has organized her thoughts on how to beat it. She’s been wanting to write a book on this very topic for 15 years!

In this episode, Allyson delivers her five best tips to outsmart jet lag – and these are things you would NEVER think of. These are not tips you can Google, y’all!

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Giving yourself permission to pack the things you need to get your sleep
  • Understanding your low-quality thoughts around jet lag
  • What to do the day before you get on the airplane
  • The shocking truth on acclimating to time zones and thoughts on “napping” 
  • The things you need to say “yes” and “no” to on the plane 

… and so much more. This episode will blow your mind and shift your thinking around jet lag!

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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:

Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm Master certified life coach Susan Hyatt, and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey.

(00:32):
In today's episode, my client, Allison Scammel, joins me. Allison is a master intuitive business coach, psychic, medium, and energy healer. And her mission is to help soul guided leaders, influencers, and entrepreneurs upgrade their energy frequency to gain unstoppable momentum in life and business. As the founder of the Soul Guide Academy, Allison has helped thousands of leaders and light workers to earn more, serve more, and grow spiritually. Along the way, she regularly shares priceless wisdom and insight on Soul Guide Radio, a podcast for soul guided influencers ready to unlock massive soul aligned success. Allison is sitting on multiple book ideas, and for the last 15 years, she's been wanting to write a book on outsmarting jet lag. I was thrilled to interview Allison on this topic as it's something I do all the time, and I've just never been able to put words on how to do it. People ask me how I go from here to there, and I'm just like, I don't even know how to explain it. Jet lag just doesn't happen to me anymore. So in this interview, Allison shares five never before her tips on how to outsmart jet lag. These are not tips. You can just Google y'all. Her strategies are unique and interesting and they really work. So let's get into it. Welcome to, you've got Nerve Allison.

Allyson Scammell (01:58):
Susan, I'm so thrilled to be here.

Susan Hyatt (02:01):
So you and I have something really juicy to talk about. Beca and this topic just sort of unfolded organically because you mentioned something about jet lag that caught my attention when we were talking recently.

Allyson Scammell (02:16):
Yes. And it's been in my ollo for years, like 15 years I've wanted to write a book about outsmarting jet lag.

Susan Hyatt (02:25):
Well, and let me just say that you're, for the audience listening, Alison is sitting on multiple books, and I tend to have a trend here on this podcast where I'm like encouraging people to, you know, either the podcast or my mastermind, like get get these books out into the world. Yeah. Um, and so the fact that you've been sitting on this book about jet lag for 15 years just stuns me because I also have a very special relationship with jet lag that I don't, <laugh> I don't, I don't quite understand. And so for people listening, um, you know that this past year in particular, I've been so happy about getting back to travel and in-person events and hosting retreats that, uh, in Q4 of last year, I was like all over the place and I went in a, like a one month period. I was in Morocco with you, Allison. Yeah.

Allyson Scammell (03:27):
Oh, I, I just remember you talking about packing.

Susan Hyatt (03:31):
Yes. <laugh> the packing

Allyson Scammell (03:32):
Alone for like Morocco, Seattle, Singapore.

Susan Hyatt (03:37):
It was crazy. Well, your clubs, it was Portland, Oregon. Oh,

Allyson Scammell (03:41):
Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Susan Hyatt (03:41):
Portland. But, but similar vibe, right? Similar,

Allyson Scammell (03:44):
Sorry, sorry, sorry. Right.

Susan Hyatt (03:45):
These three very distinct climates. Yes, yes. That I needed to pack for <laugh> in a club time. And, and I remember somebody said to me, why would you do that to yourself? And I was like, what are you talking about? And so it opened this, this greater conversation with people about jet lag. And I have been saying to people for a long time, like, I'm gonna organize my thoughts around jet lag because I honestly feel like I have this sort of magical relationship with jet lag and I don't know how to explain it. And so it sounds like you've already done this thinking and have a, a way of explaining it that we need to hear.

Allyson Scammell (04:26):
Yes. I have a feeling that the tips that I will offer, you're already implementing into your experience, which is fantastic.

Susan Hyatt (04:34):
Well, it's sort of like getting up the nerve to be fearless in where you travel and how you travel. Because I honestly was like, oh, this is no big thing. Like, honestly, you know, going to those, I mean going to those three's destinations is a big thing. I don't mean that, but like, I wasn't worried about the effects that jet lag would have on me or my business or my wellbeing. Um, so if any of you listening wanna wanna learn some tricks, I think Alison has some clearly defined

Allyson Scammell (05:10):
Yes. And you're already nailing tip number two. Um, and this is, look listeners, if you're not a big traveler and you're like, well, I don't know when I'm gonna have to think about jet lag, this like, like, be, be with us here because I really feel like this transcends jet lag <laugh>. This is just about like, uh, you know, how you wanna show up in the world and be happy and thriving in the world and hit the ground running, which is what we really want. We wanna overcome jet lag quickly, so we arrive to our destination and we hit the ground running Right. Without feeling exhausted or, you know. Yeah.

Susan Hyatt (05:45):
Because what, what good is it like to arrive when you're out of commission for two, three days and then on the, on the flip side, coming home feeling that way?

Allyson Scammell (05:57):
Yes, correct. So step number one is to get clear, get very clear about what you need to sleep well on a fantastic day. Are you someone who needs it very, very dark? Are you someone who needs it? Very, very quiet? Because when you are going through jet lag and you are asking your body to sleep during a time where it's not wanting to sleep, you need to really give it, help it to be in the sleep mode. So for example, I grew up on a farm, and if I smell any detective, any sort of light after 3:00 AM I'm like, awake, time to feed the chickens <laugh>. Like, you know, like, I'm just like, I'm so awake. So when I'm going, when I'm traveling and I'm trying to sleep, I make sure that I have, I bring my eye patch, I make sure that there is no light anywhere near me. I, it's like a blackout situation. So it's being very, very clear about what you need on a good, on a regular night for a good night's sleep. And then double down on that when you are in travel mode.

Susan Hyatt (07:05):
Do you know, it's so funny that like I knew you grew up on a farm, um, and, but like understanding that and what that means for you when traveling, I actually on this trip, this the, that whirlwind trip to all those places when we were in Portland, the woman checking in in front of us was from, um, this small town in rural California. And, um, she was saying, listen, I live on a farm. She was complaining about her room and she was like, I live on a farm and when I checked in, I said that I needed, you know, these certain things or it was gonna keep me awake and I need you to accommodate these things. And so it's so funny, like she knew, she

Allyson Scammell (07:54):
Knew.

Susan Hyatt (07:55):
Do you know what's funny, Alison, is that we ended up, I I started a conversation with her about farm life and I said, where's your farm? And she told me, and I said, I have a former client that lives there. She knew her. Oh no. So I was like, so funny. Small world. Anyway,

Allyson Scammell (08:12):
That's farm life. <laugh>,

Susan Hyatt (08:13):
You have to double down and advocate for whatever your conditions are. I have to have, yes, I have to have air movement. Like I have to have a fan. Yes. Or at, you know, at least like the ac in the room needs to have the option to have the fan blowing because Yes. Otherwise, like, just still stale air, I can, I don't sleep well.

Allyson Scammell (08:35):
Yeah. So like you would even wanna consider like getting a travel fan and traveling with a travel fan, I always make sure that I have like lots of different eye patches cuz light is such a thing for me mm-hmm. <affirmative> and that, um, you know, get, get what you need to get, bring it, pack it. Even if it's like, oh, I don't wanna pack a fan. Like give yourself permission to have a little bit of room in your suitcase for those things that are really gonna help you sleep. Because again, you're asking your body to sleep during a time where it doesn't really feel like sleeping.

Susan Hyatt (09:07):
Mm. Okay. Great tip.

Allyson Scammell (09:10):
Okay, so number two, which you've already nailed. This is so important and this is basic coaching is your thoughts. What are your thoughts saying about jet lag? And I noticed that I had this inner dialogue going on and I was like bragging that I had outsmarted jet lag, but I had this inner dialogue going on that, oh, I can travel west really easily. So us to Europe without jet lag. But when I travel east, so Europe, up to the United States, I am just totally, uh, uh, hit over the head by the jet jet lag, you know, a bad guy, <laugh>, whatever you wanna say. I've said

Susan Hyatt (09:47):
That too. Yes. Yeah, right, too. Yes.

Allyson Scammell (09:50):
So when I started to say, all right, Alison, that's not the stories I wanna be saying and the stories I wanted to be believing. So I got this mantra, and the mantra is, wherever I go, I adjust to my new time zone with joy, ease, and flow.

Susan Hyatt (10:10):
Oh yes. See mantra. Okay.

Allyson Scammell (10:15):
Right. Wherever I go, I adjust to my new time zone with joy, ease, and flow. And it's getting your brain. We're, we're gonna train the whole body to get on board quickly to a new time zone. So it's definitely those thoughts. And I noticed when I started using this mantra, all of a sudden it didn't matter if I was traveling east or west or north or south, I was adjusting very quickly.

Susan Hyatt (10:39):
I, I love your, your mantra is cute. I love your mantra. I just basically was like, listen, my body just does exactly what it needs. Uh, jet lag. I'm just like, jet lag does not touch me. It doesn't affect me. Yes, yes. Um, and if it does, like it's a rare, rare thing. And so I'm not saying, listen, y'all, I've experienced lots of jet lag in my time, but I, where Allison is talking about this mantra stuff, this isn't like, it's just so fascinating that when you tell yourself that your body will adjust, um, or that it, like you're saying with ease and flow, adjust does what it needs to do. What that means then is that if you notice like, oh, you know, I should probably do this, this or this to set up the conditions for thriving, you'll do them instead of ignoring them and then being like, oh, now I'm just gonna take a nap, even though I probably shouldn't right now. Or whatever it might be. If you're using those mantras or telling yourself something different about jet lag, then all of a sudden you make decisions. That make sense?

Allyson Scammell (11:45):
Yes, yes, yes. Couldn't say it better myself. So, beautiful. Are you ready for tip number three? Yes, there are five in total.

Susan Hyatt (11:54):
Oh, five good tips. Okay. So first double down on conditions, second mantra. Okay. What have we got now?

Allyson Scammell (12:00):
Yep. And number three, this, this I call time zone jumping. Oh

Susan Hyatt (12:05):
My god. Okay. Yeah. I'm so ready for this.

Allyson Scammell (12:07):
Yes. So the day before, you can play around with us. Maybe some people wanna do a couple days before, maybe some people will feel it better to do start the day of travel, but I like to do the day before I get on the airplane, I start to do time, time zone jumps in, into that time zone. So Susan, let's say you're gonna come visit me in Amsterdam. Okay? You're in central. You're in central. You're essential standard time. And I'm in central European time. That's seven hour difference. Yes. Okay. So I know, I think you're an early riser. Yes.

(12:40):
Yeah. So you're gonna wake up in the morning and you're just going to pop into central European time. So you're gonna wake up and it's, when you wake up, it'll be around lunchtime here, and you're gonna talk to your body and you're gonna say, just like we learned in step two, you're just basically gonna tell your body, tomorrow I'm going getting on an airplane and I'm gonna be in central European time. It's seven hours ahead. And I want you to adjust, and I want you to adjust quickly. Like tell your body, like ask your body to adjust quickly with joy and ease and flow. Whatever words feel good to you, or this is just gonna happen body <laugh>, like however, however it comes for you naturally. And then imagine, imagine you and I, you're scheduled to meet me for lunch and you and I are gonna go have Dutch pancakes somewhere in an am in an Amsterdam pancake house. And imagine time jump. And just imagine for a couple seconds that you're with me eating lunch, having Dutch pancakes and we're having a little chi chap.

Susan Hyatt (13:39):
Mm. I can taste them

Allyson Scammell (13:42):
<laugh>. Right? Right.

Susan Hyatt (13:42):
Exactly.

Allyson Scammell (13:43):
So it's like you're, you're getting your body prepared to adjust quickly to a new time zone.

Susan Hyatt (13:50):
Huh? I re I'm now that you're explaining this, I do, I do somewhat do this not as viscerally of as you're describing like, like using your senses to like, you know, what do you see in here and taste and whatever in this noontime in this different time zone. But I do, I sort of look ahead at my GCal and I'm like, okay, right. So I'm gonna be, um, going from Portland to Singapore and so when I get there, it's like, whatever, it's Friday at whatever time. And so I do have a conversation with myself. So when I land, it's gonna be three in the afternoon there, but it's gonna feel like whatever, unless I decide like I'm, I'm not gonna go to bed, I'm going to, it will be 3:00 PM Yes. So I'm gonna do what I would do at 3:00 PM Right. I'm gonna go for an afternoon walk, or I'm going to whatever, and then I'm gonna have dinner, and then I'm gonna go to bed at, so I do kind of walk through that time zone.

Allyson Scammell (14:59):
Yes. Beautiful. You're getting into step four beautifully. This is why see, you're, you're acing this, you're acing this. So the day before

Susan Hyatt (15:08):
Your tricks. Okay, go ahead. Hi.

Allyson Scammell (15:10):
So the day before you wanna do that maybe, you know, three, four or five, six times just sort of like time zone jump and just imagine, okay. Start to think that you're already in that time zone. So if it's noon your time in Amsterdam, it's gonna be around dinnertime around six, 7:00 PM So time jump and be like, okay, so Allison's gonna take me out for french fries and <laugh>. This is a high caloric trip, <laugh> whatever. Um, uh, uh, traditional Dutch foods are very, uh, uh, caloric. So, um, this is what's coming to mind. So, uh, we're gonna be out for dinner and then she's gonna take me on a canal tour and just go ahead and get, you know, spend a few, you know, 30 seconds, uh, uh, visualizing and just start actually feeling it just as you said Susan, like tasting it, seeing it, feeling it, smelling it, getting your five senses involved and you're just training your body. Tomorrow we're gonna be in this time zone, so get ready. I, I'm gonna get a good sleep tonight in my current time zone, but tomorrow get ready to jump.

Susan Hyatt (16:21):
I love it. Okay.

Allyson Scammell (16:22):
Okay, cool. Okay, so then the morning of travel arrives and this, this doesn't mat this, this applies whether you're traveling east to west, you're leaving in the morning, you're leaving in the evening, you want to set all, now you wake up in the morning, it's the time of your arrival time zone, full stop. Okay. So in this example, you wake up at 6:00 AM central standard time, you're like, uh, it's 1:00 PM it is 1:00 PM and you go about your day. And you, you already mentioned this, that you did this in Singapore, get up and eat lunch.

Susan Hyatt (17:00):
Yeah.

Allyson Scammell (17:01):
Right? Yeah. It's 1:00 PM <laugh>, you know, and, and you start saying what I call time affirmations, said all your clocks, all your devices. Okay. So maybe I have one clock you can look at. So you make sure you get to your flight on time. Right. But try to set all of your devices to 7:00 PM and say the affirmation it is 7:00 PM or sorry, well in this case you're waking up. It would be, it is 1:00 PM mm-hmm. <affirmative> and you're gonna eat lunch and you're gonna go about the day as if you are already in central standard, central European time.

Susan Hyatt (17:39):
Wow. Yes. I don't do that. I don't do that. Yes, yes. I don't do that until, I really don't do that until I get on the plane uhhuh, wherever my connection is.

Allyson Scammell (17:51):
Okay. Okay. So try

Susan Hyatt (17:53):
This. I don't do it. So I'm gonna try this. Yeah.

Allyson Scammell (17:55):
Try this. You may not need it cuz you're already getting it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so try this. And then you wanna eat at the times that you would be eating in your new time zone and you wanna sleep at the times that you'd be sleeping. So typically if you're in the United, the United States traveling to Europe or traveling in the easterly direction, you're gonna be taking off in the evenings, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that's gonna be about like, let's say a 7:00 PM flight is gonna be around two o'clock in the morning. So when your flight is taking off, you wanna imagine that it's like 2:00 AM and you wanna try to go to sleep if you can. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you're gonna wanna watch a movie, you're gonna wanna eat the really bad <laugh> food on the airplane. Um, right. But if you can, and it's okay. I mean, if you're on holiday and you wanna watch a movie and do all that, of course it's okay.

(18:46):
But if you're like, I'm really committed to having as little jet lag as possible, I would actually just, you know, that's what I do is I have my little eye patch cause I'm light sensitive and I put in earplugs because I'm sound sensitive and I eye patch an earplug and I just go to sleep. And if I can't sleep, I try to just deep breathe or meditate, um, and be as quiet as possible. And even when I'm traveling with my daughter, I say to my husband, Hey, look, I wanna get over jet lag, so I'm gonna try to sleep right away. You tend to hurt. And then when we land, I'll tend to her, you know? Right, right. So like, I even like get the help where I can because I am very committed to not struggling with jet lag.

Susan Hyatt (19:31):
<laugh>. Excuse me. Wow. Okay. So what have you know, when did you start practicing this?

Allyson Scammell (19:40):
So I, I had a 17 year in international affairs and lived all over the place and I had to go on long, long, long haul flights for like a weekend mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I had to hit the ground running like land at the airport at 9:00 AM for an 11:00 AM meeting and go for the whole day. So it was really killing me. Jet lag was killing me and I was, I felt like I was destroying my body mm-hmm. <affirmative> and I was just like, I need to do something. And then I was working in cobble Afghanistan and my best friend got married in Rapid City, South Dakota. So I flew from Kabbala, Afghanistan to Rapid City for a weekend wedding.

Susan Hyatt (20:19):
Wow.

Allyson Scammell (20:20):
Yeah. And when I got back I was just destroyed. And that's when I, I set the intention. I said, there's got to be a way, there's got to be a better way. And that's when I went on this journey to try to figure out how to out, I call it outsmarting jet lag. And, and, and not much time actually when I started implementing these tips, I started to get very successful with it.

Susan Hyatt (20:42):
Well, I think you bring up such a great point because there are probably many listeners who, who have experienced that where, and I know that I have like, we're getting ready to, um, do the most, which is an event in LA and I live in Indiana and it's a full day of travel there from Evansville, Indiana to la and then the, we hit the ground for this weekend event, we hit the ground where it's like, like I don't have the luxury of being tired, you know, I'm expected to put on this event Yes.

Allyson Scammell (21:21):
<laugh>, excuse me. I I know what you're talking about.

Susan Hyatt (21:24):
Yeah. And so I think you do that enough times and especially if you have children, um, and you, there are other people or you're caretaking, um, another family member or you know, fill in the blank. Like, life doesn't stop laughing because you've been on an airplane. And so I think it's like, it's a worthwhile goal because I have talked to so many clients who don't take the trip because they're afraid of jet lag of, they're like, well the rec, I don't recover well from jet lag. Like I couldn't possibly go on your Ireland retreat because my responsibilities at home are such that I don't have the time to go and then recover. And so it's like, well what if you didn't have to choose?

Allyson Scammell (22:15):
What if you didn't have to choose and you just landed to Ireland and all of a sudden you're like doing your time affirmations, you'll land probably sometime in the morning. And then what do you wanna do? You wanna stay up unless you're someone who normally takes a 1:00 PM nap

Susan Hyatt (22:30):
<laugh> if you,

Allyson Scammell (22:31):
You

Susan Hyatt (22:32):
Know. Right,

Allyson Scammell (22:32):
Right. And if you normally take a nap, do it. And you can take the power nap if you land somewhere in the morning, I a power naps. Okay. But don't, not more than that.

Susan Hyatt (22:41):
No. I'm constantly, like, when my retreaters arrive, I'm like, do not go lay down.

Allyson Scammell (22:46):
Don't go lay

Susan Hyatt (22:47):
Down, do not do that. Like, let you know, let's do this, this, and this. And the, and, and those of you listening know who you are who have not listened to me in the past. Right. <laugh> we'll go and then they're, and then they're a mess. Yes. They're a fucking mess. Yes. For 72 hours and just as soon as they start feeling great, it's like toodles. Yes. Goodbye. Yes. Um, but it's, anyway, go ahead. Sorry. No,

Allyson Scammell (23:13):
The best thing to do really, if you're coming from the United States, traveling to Europe for, for example, the best thing to do is to stay awake if you can. Yeah. Yeah. And just stay awake and at most do a power nap early in the afternoon or late morning power nap is okay. And then stay up and you try to stay up until you normally would go to sleep. If you're someone who normally goes to bed at 10, you know, and if you have flexibility, if there's not an event or something, then you try to go to bed at 10 and you make it very comfortable for yourself. Bring all the things, if you like a fan, going bring a fan or call the hotel and say, I need a fan. Like, set yourself up for success.

Susan Hyatt (23:53):
Well, and I would say what you just said is such a hot tip in terms of calling your lodging ahead of time and, and making sure, like, and this is what I'm doing with people in life of Yes. At home. It's like, you know, yesterday was Sunday, we're recording this on a Monday, and I went into the group and I'm like, listen, look at your week ahead and decide what are the conditions you need for thriving this week and what needs to happen. Do you need to order food? Do you, are your clothes still in the dryer? Like, like food, clothing, um, workouts. Like, what do you need? Fill in the blank of what you need and let's go ahead and put that order in because you don't wanna get to Wednesday and be like, this week sucks because I didn't make sure I had what I needed.

(24:41):
And so I actually, this is something that I do not with a fan, but now I will, um, I do, either myself or my assistant will call ahead and say like, is there a peloton in the gym? Yes. Is the gym 24 hours? You know, if not, like, cuz I'm an early morning riser and let me tell you how salty I get when these gyms are not open till 8:00 AM what the fuck, fuck are you saying to me like 8:00 AM my day is, it's lunch for me. Right. And so it's like, can she get into the gym? Is there a peloton? Is there a preferred running route that you would recommend nearby? Can she run solo in this area? Is it safe? Um, and so if not, we've even, you know, contracted out running guides to run with me. So it's like thinking ahead, like what are all the things that I need? But like where sleep is concerned, um, yeah, you could ask things like, are there blackout blinds? Bring your own blind. Like, what, what do you need?

Allyson Scammell (25:44):
What do you need? And I love that you're mentioning exercise. So we're still on tip four. And then tip tip five will be quick, but in tip four, you really wanna think about, so exercise is so good and I should say on the plane, saying no to alcohol and saying no to caffeine is only gonna help you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, cuz that's dehydrating and you wanna drink as much water as possible. Water, water, water, water is your friend when it comes to jet lag and avoiding jet lag and exercise is your friend. So when you get there, if you can exercise mm-hmm. <affirmative> in a way that makes you happy, getting out in the sunshine as much as possible, so out in the sun and you're, you're go, this is a top tip, here's a little secret to success at some point. And I don't care if you're traveling to outer Mongolia in the winter and it's like, mine is 25, you wanna take your shoes off, take your socks off and go stand in grass, stand in something that's not pavement, stand in nature. And that's grounding, that has an absolute magical effect for getting you adjusted to the time. It's just like you're saying, it's like you're, you're greeting the, the place that you're traveling to and you're grounding in. And so sunshine and standing in grass or sand or wherever you're going and doing a grounding is so, so, so powerful to help you adjust quickly.

Susan Hyatt (27:17):
Oh, I love that. Oh my gosh, yes. I'm, I'm recognizing that I do, I do do those things. Um, not, not always taking my shoes and socks off and grounding in nature, but like running in nature or at least walking if I can is something that I always try to prioritize. Um, okay. Cool. All right, tip number five.

Allyson Scammell (27:39):
Last one is sometimes you're gonna go through and do all of these things to the letter perfectly and you're still gonna have jet lag. <laugh>. Okay.

Susan Hyatt (27:47):
<laugh>, darn it.

Allyson Scammell (27:48):
Right. So obviously we want, we want to, our ti you know, our mindset is like, I'm gonna outsmart this. I adjust with ease and flow. And if for some reason you don't, it is actually, and I'm a, a spiritual mentor, spiritual teacher, I have, so at the 3:00 AM hour is a very magical hour where we are very, very close to the spiritual realm. We're very closely connected to our intuition, our higher self. And when you're there and you're tired, it's 3:00 AM and you're awake and you're not sleeping, it is a magical time, a magical time to connect in, connect into your body, connect into your intuitive gifts, and just ask questions. Use it to your advantage. If you've done your level best to fall asleep and it's just not happening, turn it into a spiritual practice. And it is a powerful time to engage in that. And you're really making lemonade outta some lemons.

Susan Hyatt (28:50):
Okay. Now you're really freaking me out because I've been waking up at the three o'clock hour, you know, my normal wake up time, I know y'all are all gonna throw things at me, but I get up at four 15 and I've been waking up between three and four. Yeah. And didn't know what that was about, Allison, why, why? Well,

Allyson Scammell (29:12):
Why that will happen. The three a am hour is a magical hour. It's when some people describe it as the veil, as the thinnest between our physical world and our nonphysical world. So it is a time to just connect whatever your belief systems are, you're connecting to something higher, uh, whatever that is. The, the energy is actually at its thinnest. So if your higher self or your intuition, or your guides or whoever you connect to wants to communicate with you and connect deeper to you, they're going to tap you on the shoulder around 3:00 AM and you will feel like this natural wake up. And it will feel the way you're describing it, Susan, it's like, why am I awake? Well, it's just, uh, you're being called to connect in and to, to connect in deeper to the energies that are around you.

Susan Hyatt (30:05):
Okay. But now my skeptical mind wants to say like, well, is it 3:00 AM central, 3:00 AM eastern? Like, what does it matter? It's your 3:00 AM

Allyson Scammell (30:15):
It's the 3:00 AM of where you are of that time zone. Yeah.

Susan Hyatt (30:21):
Oh my God. Why, why are my spirit guides harassing me? Listen, I am menopausal. I need sleep. Ok. Um, wow. All right. Well, instead of, um, I can't remember who said it, it might have been Liz Gilbert, but she talked about like, horizontal thinking is often more anxious than vertical thinking. And so like, if you're laying in bed worrying, just get up. Yeah. And so I, instead of laying there worrying about things, I'll now challenge myself to tune into my higher self and see what's up.

Allyson Scammell (30:58):
So I would ask, are you trying to get me a message? Are, are you trying to get my attention? Yes. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, do you have a message for me? Yes. And then the other thing I would ask is, is there something that wants to heal? Because our energy healing is actually most powerful in the middle of the night. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> where we're just releasing energy blocks, releasing resistance, releasing things that doesn't serve us. It's actually most useful to release difficult things, even if, you know, even if it's not like a, a big trauma or something that's weighing us down sometimes we're carrying a lot energetically and we don't even realize it. Yeah.

Susan Hyatt (31:35):
And that, that, yeah.

Allyson Scammell (31:37):
Right. Yeah. And so that energy release actually happens most easily when we are sleepy. When we are fatigued and at about three o'clock in the morning. So really Wow. Powerful questions to ask is who's here, who, who's waking me up at 3:00 AM for crying out loud? Uhhuh

Susan Hyatt (31:54):
<affirmative>, but

Allyson Scammell (31:54):
What message do you have for me? And is there something that wants to be healed or released?

Susan Hyatt (31:59):
Oh my God. So now I, I absolutely wanna have you back and discuss like, spiritual stuff because I have so many questions for you. So, so Allison mentioned that she's a spiritual mentor and an exceptional life coach, business coach. Um, and I've had the privilege of of getting to know Allison. So Allison, I can't tell you how excited I am about this book. You're definitely writing, right? I'm definitely, you're definitely writing this book.

Allyson Scammell (32:31):
Oh, I'm definitely writing it. And I'm, I'm your client right now.

Susan Hyatt (32:35):
Yes. Can I say that? Yes, you can. Yes. I, okay. I didn't wanna share that without permission, Alex. Oh,

Allyson Scammell (32:40):
Yeah, yeah. I, I'm lucky enough

Susan Hyatt (32:42):
Client. Yes. And she is the fucking bomb <laugh>.

Allyson Scammell (32:45):
Um,

Susan Hyatt (32:46):
And uh, when I found out she was sitting on multiple books, I was like, okay. And then she kept going and she's like, well, the one I've been thinking about for 15 years, <laugh> is about outsmarting jet lag. And I was like, oh, now we're talking <laugh>. Okay. This is the, the appetizer or the gateway drug to Allison's world. Yes. Yes. Is outsmarting jet lag.

Allyson Scammell (33:07):
I love how you use the life of Yes. Example. Like you can use these tips. I mean, you're, you're, you are using most of them in life of Yes. Like, just set yourself up for success.

Susan Hyatt (33:18):
Yes. And it's, well, but I think jet lag, and, and, and I know we're a little bit over time, but I think jet lag is one of those things though, where people are like, there's no getting around this. Like, you, you're, you're just gonna be jet lagged. And we do that in life with so many things, whether it's money or relationships or whatever, or parenting. It's like these assumptions. And so I love this topic because it's really like, actually I can go from Morocco to Portland to Singapore and back to Evansville, not a l not a moment, not a lick of jet lag a's amazing minute. And, and I'm like, I don't, I didn't know how to explain to people that that could be so other than I'm like, I don't know, my body just adjusts. Yeah. But it's actually my body adjusting because of these things.

Allyson Scammell (34:11):
Because you made the decision, you made the decision that I was gonna say yes. You know, you're living it to give it, I'm gonna live a life of Yes. And I wanna go to all of these crazy places that are in totally different time zones, totally different climates, and I need to say yes, and I don't wanna destroy my body in the process.

Susan Hyatt (34:29):
Right. And so

Allyson Scammell (34:29):
You set yourself up for success,

Susan Hyatt (34:32):
Yay. And listen, the people around us will, um, will be like, oh, you must be exhausted. You must be blah, blah, blah. Yes, they will. I'm like, don't put that shit on me. I'm fine. <laugh>.

Allyson Scammell (34:47):
Oh my

Susan Hyatt (34:47):
Gosh. Fine. Well,

Allyson Scammell (34:49):
I, if I, when I was really living internationally and I was moving a lot, if I had a nickel, as my grandmother used to say, for the number of times, people would say to me, I could never do what you do. I could never live your lifestyle. And I thought, you know, I, maybe you couldn't, but I sure love living my life. So thank you for that

Susan Hyatt (35:07):
<laugh>. You know, people say that to me all the time. My mother likes to say, listening to you just makes me exhausted, <laugh>. And I'm like, okay, well, I get it. But also it's pretty darn fun.

Allyson Scammell (35:18):
Yes. Yes. Yay.

Susan Hyatt (35:20):
Well, Allison, what's the best way for people to connect with you? Because I know they're gonna listen to this and wanna learn more.

Allyson Scammell (35:28):
Yay. So on my homepage, allison scam.com, I have a new gift that I'm giving out that I'm so proud of that is very relevant for what talked about today. It's called 10 High Vibe Minutes, and it's the ultimate daily spiritual practice or inner reflection time for busy people. And so grab that. I have a guided meditation, a checklist, I have journal prompts, video training that teaches you how to really connect in and, um, see what your spirit guides are trying to say to you. And it will actually really help you through some of the steps we talked about today. And then there's my labor of love, which Susan has been a guest on my podcast, soul Guide Radio. And you can hear that we're all, we're all podcasts are played.

Susan Hyatt (36:13):
Listen, I'm gonna go download these 10 high, five high five minutes. Yes. I need it. I need it. Thank

Allyson Scammell (36:19):
You. I'd love you too,

Susan Hyatt (36:21):
Allison. Thank you so much for your time. I can't wait to hear people's stories about hijacking, uh, jet lag <laugh>. Yes,

Allyson Scammell (36:31):
Yes. Well, there, I didn't even mention biohacking. There's a whole biohacking, I don't know if you ever talk about that mm-hmm. <affirmative> about jet lag. Oh. Anyway. For another time. For another time. But what I, what I offer is better, but there's, there's something called biohacking and they bio hat jet lag. And I did a bunch of research on it and I'm like, oh, well, it's all kind of str like some strange stuff. And I'm like, oh, this tips, these tips are just easier and more accessible.

Susan Hyatt (36:57):
Well, I'm all for that. I also, I, well, I could talk a whole thing about biohacking with like the diet industry, right?

Allyson Scammell (37:04):
It is,

Susan Hyatt (37:05):
Yeah. It's, it's usually a Yoko Noo.

Allyson Scammell (37:08):
Exactly. Exactly. Same. Same. So yes.

Susan Hyatt (37:11):
Well, thank you so much, Alison.

Allyson Scammell (37:14):
Thank you, Susan. It was such a pleasure.

Susan Hyatt (37:20):
So if you want to outsmart jet lag with me, get your booty signed up for one of my international retreats. Now listen, I have one spot left in each of these. In May we're going to Ireland. Okay? In the fall we're going to Morocco, and in January we're going to Vietnam. And if you haven't heard, the next round of my Beyond Mastermind is open for enrollment. We're about half full for the next round that starts in May. Listen, these members are getting mind blowing results unless than two months into this year. My current members have landed. One of 'em just landed a two multi six figure book deal, okay? For two books. Um, another person got sober, somebody hit the bestsellers list with a book she had been sitting on. Somebody else tripled their revenue. Somebody left an abusive partner, ditched a toxic work environment, somebody moved to their dream destination. So listen, when you have me as a master coach, in your corner, results happen and I want you to be the next. So apply for the next round of beyond before it sells out. And until the next episode, I'm wishing for all of you to get up the nerve. You need to go after everything you want.

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