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The Nerve to Date Brazenly Ft. Lily Womble

In this episode of “You’ve Got Nerve,” I interview Lily Womble, author of “Thank You More Please” and creator of Date Brazen. Whether you’re navigating the dating scene or seeking main character energy, Lily’s feminist approach to dating challenges outdated norms and empowers women to take control of their love lives. From her journey as a top matchmaker to founding Date Brazen, Lily shares how her techniques can transform your dating life and overall personal empowerment.

Lily discusses breaking dumb dating rules and embracing your true self, regardless of relationship status. Her debut book, “Thank You More Please,” is a must-read for those tired of patriarchal dating norms. Learn about essence-based preferences and how they help attract the right partner by honoring your true desires. Whether single, married, or in-between, this episode is filled with insights to inspire bold and authentic living. Join us for a conversation that sparks a feminist revolution in your love life and beyond.

In this episode, we discuss:

  • Breaking outdated dating norms
  • Embracing main character energy
  • Creating essence-based preferences
  • Empowering women in love and life
  • Transforming personal empowerment strategies

Featured on the Show:

Featured on the Show:

  • Interview with Lily Womble, author of "Thank You More Please"
  • Details about Date Brazen and its mission
  • Discussion on essence-based preferences in dating
  • Insights into feminist dating approaches
  • Giveaway of a signed copy of "Thank You More Please"
  • My Paris retreat in September

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FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:

Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm master certified life coach Susan Hyatt, and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey. Oh, hey, you've got nerve listeners. I have a treat for you today I am interviewing author Lily Womble. She's the author of Thank You More Please and the Creator of Date Brazen. So thank you more, please is a feminist guide to breaking Dumb Dating rules and finding love. But here's the thing. Y'all know I've been married 31 years. I've been with Scott Anthony Hyatt, 33 years.

(00:58):
So what am I doing talking about dating? What I have to tell you is that whether you are dating or not, you are going to get something out of this interview because everything that Lily writes about is applicable to your regular life. Honestly, Lily is sparking a feminist revolution in the way we date and find love y'all. She was a matchmaker, not only that but one of the top matchmakers in the United States. But after setting up hundreds of dates, she realized that the answer to finding love was much deeper than a setup and that the way we are taught to date is still stuck in the patriarchal dark ages. So she founded her company Date Brazen in 2018, and she's helped hundreds of women create love lives that are epic, settle proof, and joyful as hell. With her intersectional feminist approach, she changes lives daily On TikTok, she has one of the top four relationship podcasts, the Date Brazen podcast and sold out coaching programs worldwide.

(02:15):
This is her debut book. Thank you more, please. It came out in June and she lives in Brooklyn with her husband Chris, which you're going to hear all about. But listen, she talks about how to step into main character energy, which is something that I talk about. So if you are someone who is in the dating scene, this is for sure for you. If you have a friend or a kiddo who is dating, this is for sure for you. And if you're not dating, but you want to figure out how to step into main character energy, you've got

Susan Hyatt (02:58):
To this a listen. It is so good. I'm going to catch you at the end of this episode and talk about how you can win a free autograph book. Welcome to You've Got Nerve Lily Womble.

Lily Womble (03:12):
I'm so glad to be here. Susan Hyatt.

Susan Hyatt (03:15):
I am delighted to have you on and on. Listen, the way that we met, what showed Nerve, because Lily marched right up to me at Carl Al's book party with an advanced copy of her book in hand, introduced herself and was like, I was hoping I would meet you. I want to give you a copy of this book. And I was like, you know what? I fucking love it. Give me this beautiful, and listen, this cover is like my brand dream.

Lily Womble (03:46):
You match it right now.

Susan Hyatt (03:47):
I do match it right now. It's hard for me not to match a cover. Honestly, I would've to work pretty hard. But thank you more, please is I'm just going to say it. I was right about Cara. This is going to be a bestseller. Thank you. Are you over the moon about this book launch?

Lily Womble (04:07):
I am feeling very grateful. As you know, book launches are such a wild roller coaster, and I will say the one thing that I just feel in my body and my bones is that the work is so good. The book itself is so good if I am just going to brag about it because I really believe in it and I know it changes lives and I know it is going to be this exhale of relief for millions of single women around the world who have been taught that dating has to suck. And so I'm just really proud of it. I'm really proud of the book and this is just the beginning.

Susan Hyatt (04:48):
Well, that's the key I think for any author, right? So those of you listening, I know I have plenty of authors in the audience or aspiring authors, and the thing about a book publishing, just writing a book is a feat. I mean, I think it's like less than 6% of people who start out to write a book actually finish writing it. Wow. Yeah. The stats are grim. So just writing it is a feat. And then you move into the process of selling the book and launching the book and it's authors going on City Tours, podcast tours, you name it, to get the word out about their book. And if you don't feel as passionately about the work as you do, Lily, then a lot of authors are like, I'm just going to stay home.

Lily Womble (05:40):
I'm not myself through it. A hundred percent. I mean we, I've been working on this book for four years and been doing this work for seven years and two years before that I was a top professional matchmaker. So I have,

Susan Hyatt (05:55):
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't think I knew that you were a top professional matchmaker. Yes.

(06:03):
Okay, lemme just pause and say, I moved into real quick about this book launch, but this book, thank You More, please, is about, it's a feminist Guide to Dating and you are the creator of something called Date Brazen. And I am as a woman who has been married for 31 years, right? I mean, I didn't date much. I married Scott Hyatt when I was 19. I, however, I know it's an anomaly. I don't recommend it. It never works out for people. I mean, we're just sort of this, we have a long history, beautiful story of I love that, our relationship and our marriage. But I have 20 somethings as kids, and Ryan is 25, turning 26, and Cora is 23, turning 24. And Cora is living her sex in the city life in Brooklyn. And I gave her a copy of this book and I cannot wait for her review. She is the queen of side eye. So if Cora endorses this book, I

Lily Womble (07:12):
Need an Instagram shout out from the, I need a DM or something, text me. I need to know if Cora likes it because she's in the demo,

Susan Hyatt (07:20):
She's in the demo, and she's also the only person I have ever talked to. The reason why I'm also another reason why I'm excited to have you on, she's the only person I've ever talked to who enjoys dating. She loves dating.

Lily Womble (07:36):
That's amazing. The

Susan Hyatt (07:37):
Crazier the better. She loves the story. She loves just meeting people and the things that you teach in terms of being unattached and main character energy and being who you are and all those things. I really think I'm like, oh wow, she's kind of nailing dating, brazen.

Lily Womble (07:57):
Well, it's almost as if she had a master life coach as a mom who helped, who raised her to be badass and main character energy. It's almost as if she was raised to trust herself. I wonder if you did that thinking

Susan Hyatt (08:13):
About it like that, but maybe because I'm always like, Cora, what are you doing that no one else is doing? But of course, throughout the course of my career as a coach, I've coached tons of women through divorce, dating, et cetera, and nobody is talking about dating on these terms. So I know my audience is going to love it. And my other joke is I, as someone who has been married or coupled up with Scott Hyatt for 33 years, I'm always like, if something happens to you and me or just something happens to you and I'm out there in the dating world, I have the opinion that I'm undateable. So I'm like,

Lily Womble (09:04):
Oh, Susan,

Susan Hyatt (09:05):
Lily's going to change my mind because I'm just kind of like, who am I going to get? Okay? I mean, I'm just put up with nothing. I dunno who's going to meet these expectations or criteria, but nevertheless, I'm sure you hear that a lot. Well,

Lily Womble (09:24):
That's so many single people believe, which is the sticking point in their dating lives that I was taught being raised in the deep South and from Alabama that I was too much, too bossy, too intense, too sensitive. And that, I mean, my mother, who I love so much and who we are very close today, and we've talked about this many times since, but she told me when I was 12, you're too much and you're going to have a hard time finding a husband. And I know it was really intense. And in that moment, I just look back and I remember feeling confused as to like, I'm 12. Why are you telling me this right now? We were

Susan Hyatt (10:05):
Just in Alabama. I was raised in Georgia.

Lily Womble (10:08):
My God. Yeah. So I think I was trying on her wedding dress or something and it came up so I was confused. I also knew because I saw around me that a woman's worth was so intimately tied to her relationship status with a cisgender man that this condemnation from my mom, you're too much. You're going to have a hard time finding a husband. That was a life sentence of loneliness because of the culture in which I was steeped and I went to weddings. I bet you did too, where a woman had to vow to be subservient to her husband.

Susan Hyatt (10:43):
Lord, yes.

Lily Womble (10:45):
I saw that as a child and my little feminist self got really angry. But then the other part of me, of course, just thought, is this what we have to do to be partnered and do we have to be partnered to be whole and ahead in life? So anyway, all of that hot, so patriarchal conditioning led me in adulthood. I was a late bloomer. I didn't have much experience at all to shove my needs into a box, look for a man specifically to prove to me that I wasn't too much. It was meant that I repressed my bisexuality. I didn't really realize I was bisexual until I was in my mid twenties. And so this whole conversation about feminist dating I know is so important for people to start living their authentic truths and start living their main character energy to start getting more of what they want in life in dating and everywhere.

Susan Hyatt (11:38):
Listen, you just said all kinds of things that I would love to dive into. So including figuring out that you were bisexual in your twenties, core is bisexual.

Lily Womble (11:50):
Most of us are, Susan

Susan Hyatt (11:53):
Women are, I mean it spectrum. It's

Lily Womble (11:55):
Spectrum. A lot of women are a lot of women who love women only women who date men. We're all somewhere on the Kinsey scale.

Susan Hyatt (12:03):
Let me tell you something, I need a Kinsey scale test because I keep joking. I would love to love women because it's sort of like why would we choose men? And I need to know the answer to that. But I said to Cora because any of her drama dating, because let me tell you something. She's dating a Calvin Klein underwear model, a bartender, a painter. She's got, Kara said, she's living the Bushwick dream. She's got

Lily Womble (12:44):
God bless cast, very proud of her,

Susan Hyatt (12:47):
And any drama is coming from men. And so I'm like, okay, I don't understand because given the opportunity to choose who you're going to date, and she's like, it doesn't work like that.

Lily Womble (13:08):
Well, it is like I am attracted to men as well. You know what I'm saying? It's Undeni ability. And I also love that chapel Rowan at the moment has a top 10 song about compulsory heterosexuality. And in good luck, babe, and it's such a moment, I think of reckoning for folks, examining, hopefully examining their own sexuality and deciding for themselves, what do I really want and how can I center my own desire? And whether that is whoever that means dating, whoever that means you're attracted to whatever you define your sexuality at any given point. I think that it's important to look back in chapter one or two. I forget at this point it's all a blur. But chapter two, I believe of my book Thank you more, please. I talk about the love life timeline where I really encourage folks to make a timeline of when they first learned about romantic love to now and what has, even for people who feel like they're late bloomers, they don't have any experience really putting on paper what experiences did I go through at a young age about romantic love that taught me how I should perform in my love life, how I should behave in my love life to be attractive enough?

(14:27):
And really unpacking those pieces allows you to see those dusty crusty stories that you've collected, see their origin to start untangling them and unwinding them. And hopefully that means you get to step into a deeper truth about who you want to be with, what that looks like and how you center yourself.

Susan Hyatt (14:46):
Well, just like the story that you shared about your mom saying you're going to have a tough time. My family had a similar story. It was more like, whoever falls for you is going to have a tough time.

Lily Womble (15:02):
How did you feel about that, Susan? And what was that like

Susan Hyatt (15:06):
Once you hook 'em? Right? The attitude, right? That whole thing where a woman's got to land a man, that whole narrative, I was always disgusted by it. I was like, from a young age was like, they will be blessed. Okay, they will be left. Oh my God. Not that I escaped any of that conditioning, just listening to you talk about, of course I didn't. The performing in the relationship or this is how a woman behaves in a romantic relationship. All of those things. It's really interesting to take a look at. And there's also culturally, like you were saying, the Chapel Rowan song,

Lily Womble (15:59):
She's also, good luck, babe.

Susan Hyatt (16:00):
Yeah, good luck, babe. And I'm also obsessed with Hot To Go. These are my workout songs. Yes.

Lily Womble (16:09):
I just did the dance.

Susan Hyatt (16:11):
Yeah, she did it well too. I actually watched the video and was like, I've got to learn this dance. You've

Lily Womble (16:17):
Got to do it at your next retreat.

Susan Hyatt (16:18):
No shit. I was like, we could have done that at the Yes Retreat in the lake. How cute Would that have been A hot so

Lily Womble (16:25):
Cute go

Susan Hyatt (16:26):
Choreographed moment. But there's always the next one, which y'all listening, get ready for your MTV music video Dreams to Come True. But there's also movie wise, the movies coming out where there's an Anne Hathaway movie and a Nicole Kidman movie where,

Lily Womble (16:51):
So let me name 'em for you. It's the idea of you and a family affair. Both great watches

Susan Hyatt (16:57):
Hang with you because my perimenopausal brain, I'm like, I don't remember what it's called, but y'all know what I'm talking about.

Lily Womble (17:04):
I'll be your encyclopedia, just bring me along. I'll be your movie.

Susan Hyatt (17:08):
Exactly. But it's also culturally a moment where the tables are turning on the acceptability. I don't don't know. There's so much commentary online that's fascinating as a feminist to watch. I'm intrigued by it, but I also have the opinion that I'm like, where are these young men that can handle all this? I don't know. I mean, this is kind of an interesting story.

Lily Womble (17:36):
Some of my clients are dating them. I have to say. I have clients in their fifties, they're

Susan Hyatt (17:41):
Dating them and do they know what to do? I'm

Lily Womble (17:43):
Like, I think that it's varying degrees, but just so much in so far as anybody knows to do with a strong woman or a strong person who was socialized as a woman. It's like, I do believe that we are for the few, not for the many.

Susan Hyatt (17:58):
Correct.

Lily Womble (17:59):
And that it is important to bless and release swiftly when someone is not a meeting. Your essence based preferences, which is how you want to feel in the right relationship. So for the clients who are dating younger men, it's like, yeah, some of them are working out. Some of them are like the bar is high both. And blessing and releasing is definitely a skillset that my clients and my readers are using to really create a fertile garden for their love lives that are full of people that they choose. Actively

Susan Hyatt (18:33):
Bless and release is a phrase I typically use with creative endeavors, and now I get to use it with my clients with dating and essence based preferences.

Lily Womble (18:48):
Yes.

Susan Hyatt (18:49):
Say more.

Lily Womble (18:51):
So whenever I ask somebody, what do you want? When I was a matchmaker, I would say my job was to get to know what people wanted. And so I would ask, what do you want? They'd say something like kind, funny, smart, always. And that is fine, but it's not doing enough to convey your unique love life vocabulary. You listener, you, Susan, me, Lily, are all so unique kind to you, is not kind to me necessarily. And so I really wanted to use something to help clients get beneath the surface of kind, funny, smart to actually, what does it feel like to be with the right partner? What would make you come alive across the table to get beneath the surface of the bullshit at the surface level and say, okay, what does kind feel like to you? What does somebody who is kind to you value?

(19:46):
How do they show up at a party? How do they behave in a social situation? What are their friendships? What makes them come alive? What values do they hold? And asking all these questions, those sometimes annoying to my clients who are like, can you just shut up and just give me the answer already? I'm like, no. Let's ask you some more questions. These questions are going to allow you to have your own unique love life vocabulary. So getting to the essence of somebody's desires in a personality trait and value level looks like going from kind, funny, smart to compassionately curious, that phrase. And then a unique definition looks like going from, well-traveled to worldly with an edge meaning for them. Maybe one of my clients used that as they travel, they want to be bilingual, they're throwing themselves into cultural situations to learn more. They are not afraid to dive in and make mistakes with the language. Knowing how that person shows up in the world will allow you to attract them with more ease. And then on a logistics side, that's the values, personality traits side. The logistics side is like age range, height range, whatever. And that's when people can get into super rigidity.

(20:57):
They must have gone to this exact school. They must be this exact height. They must be this exact age range. And to all of those preferences, I say, number one, you get to want what you want. And number two, why don't we get to know how that feels like for age range? How do you hope to feel with somebody in that age range? You probably want to feel intellectually matched. You want to feel like you have the same references. You want to feel seen and they're mature and they're with you. And I say, great, you want to feel that way. Have you ever met anybody outside of that age range who's made you feel that way? And if the answer is yes, then you have what you get to be open to, right? It's like being open to being surprised by the right person with still your boundaries in place.

Susan Hyatt (21:36):
So we're going to be open to a Zach Efron.

Lily Womble (21:40):
Yes. Okay. Because Zach Efron makes us feel like if we had essence based preferences, if Nicole had essence based preferences, she would look at how do I want to feel in the right relationship? And she would say, okay, I feel really seen. I feel held. I feel intellectually matched. I feel intellectually stimulated. I feel really turned on. Attraction is also an essence based preference. It's how you want to feel. And so let's keep going and gather more information.

Susan Hyatt (22:07):
This is so good. And so I have a question. When you were a matchmaker, were you using these kinds of tools as a matchmaker?

Lily Womble (22:23):
Yes.

Susan Hyatt (22:24):
And did you have your own matchmaking firm, or did you work for a company?

Lily Womble (22:29):
I worked at a giant matchmaking firm. They exist. They're out there. There was giant unquote, it was 160 matchmakers, and I was the third most successful matchmaker at that firm.

Susan Hyatt (22:41):
And are we about the matchmaker that takes out full page ads in Delta Magazine?

Lily Womble (22:48):
Yeah. Adjacent to that, I'm not going to say the name, but it's adjacent to that. And so I needed a side hustle. I was living in New York, I had no money. I was making balloon hats at Send your Frogs in Times Square. I would make penis balloon hats after 10:00 PM I could make a penis coming into a pair of lips as a hat. Can you

Susan Hyatt (23:10):
Believe? Really?

Lily Womble (23:13):
Yeah. Yeah. I was also at the same time a receptionist at a church. I also was a preschool teacher and I was a nanny.

Susan Hyatt (23:21):
You were getting that money.

Lily Womble (23:23):
I was trying to make ends meet. Okay. And I have the credit card debt to prove it. Living in New York is no small feat. It is

Susan Hyatt (23:32):
No small feat. Let me tell you about the weekly my daughter tries to pull on me to make ends meet. Oh my God. She has a job, and I will say she's doing pretty well for herself in terms of making ends meet, but the creativity, when she's running a little low or something has happened, the creativity is wild,

Lily Womble (23:56):
But on. So I learned through the grapevine through a friend that there was this matchmaking firm that was hiring this friend texts me the link to apply. And I thought, that's hilarious. That's hilarious. I had no interest in being in the dating space. I was a late bloomer. I didn't have much dating experience. I hadn't had sex yet. I was like LOL that I'm going to be a matchmaker. But I applied because I needed the money. And then I went through this application process and it was very rigorous. It was written applications. And then they put us in a zoom room with 10 applicants and one moderator. And she would say, Lily, your client just sat down at the table for her date. Her date that you set her up with, walked in, took one look at her and then left. And you have to break the news to her ready, set, go.

(24:41):
Which by the way, that happened in real life. Later on that happened. So I got the job. I realized very quickly my origins and my career were in the feminist nonprofit advocacy space. So my heart has always been for the wellbeing of women and girls. And I realized very quickly in matchmaking that dating was this final frontier of personal development that all of these women had been taught that there was something wrong with them for not having figured it out on their own yet. And that if I could help women be well in their dating lives, that I could help women be well. And this was an important space. It was a microcosm of every hope, joy, dream, fear, insecurity, desire that we had as humans. And so I started loving matchmaking. It was like a sink or swim environment. I was setting up tons of dates.

(25:27):
By the end of my two years there, I had set up 399 dates. I had to get very quickly to the heart of what somebody wanted, which is where essence based preferences came to be born. Then I had to have literally over a thousand phone calls with potential dates for my clients. And I didn't have time to waste on that phone call with a bunch of chitchat. I had to ask questions that got beneath the surface very quickly. So in the words of Dr. Maya Angelou, when someone shows you who they are, believed them the first time, I could allow them to show me who they were so I could make better matches. So that's where my concept of qualifying and disqualifying questions was born. And in the book I outline like, okay, so you create your essence based preferences with the book, and then the next step is based on your preferences.

(26:13):
What questions do you need to ask somebody to gauge whether or not they have those EBPs essence based preferences? And I outlined literally 50 plus questions in the book that I used as a matchmaker to set people up. Now as a matchmaker, I also was seeing that these people were outsourcing their agency in their dating lives to somebody else. They were taught somebody else must know more than you, so you need to outsource it. And some people were having a good time with matchmaking and were finding success. But I wanted something long-term and agency filled both for myself and my love life, which at the time was a dumpster fire. I was settling constantly in toxic situation chip. And I wanted my clients to feel more empowered in their love lives, to be their own expert matchmaker. And so that's where these tools that I now teach as a feminist dating coach were born seven years ago.

(27:05):
And when I started coaching my matchmaking clients with these tools that I was learning just for myself, I was my first client, they started to find better dates for themselves than I or anybody else could find for them. And this work led to me feeling free as fuck in my dating life and joyful as fuck given my number to Cuties and leaving my number for waiters on the receipt going on dates. And that led to meeting the love of my life, Chris, who was somebody who if I hadn't done this work on my own essence based preferences, I might not have said yes. I was in my own rigid trap in my brain.

Susan Hyatt (27:38):
Wow. So what essence based preference did Chris knock out of the park?

Lily Womble (27:45):
Okay, joyfully nerdy.

Susan Hyatt (27:50):
Exactly what that means.

Lily Womble (27:51):
I know, right? So that's the thing about if I had just said he was kind or he was funny or whatever, that's so surface level. He was joyfully nerdy. I wanted somebody, I'd never been with somebody who would sing or dance at the drop of a hat who would join me in being silly, who would be playful most of the time, but also could get down into the reflective deeper conversation as well. I had always, I am too much. And I love if you think that I'm too much, you're not enough for me, is how I feel now. But I'm just like, I'm a lot and I wanted somebody to join me and not look at me as an alien, which is what I experienced in so much of my life.

Susan Hyatt (28:32):
Right? Wow. We love Chris. We

Lily Womble (28:36):
Love Chris. He's amazing.

Susan Hyatt (28:38):
That's amazing. So for people listening, what would you say is your biggest hope when they read this book?

Lily Womble (28:47):
My biggest hope when people read thank you more, please, is that they give themselves the permission to want everything that they want, that they shed any patriarchal conditioning that has told them to play small, and that they start asking for what they want in their life. Today. I know that when you know what you want and you ask for it out loud, that is main character energy and it is going to set you up to attract exactly what you want.

Susan Hyatt (29:20):
I mean, this was the best start to my day. I am so excited about this book and I can't wait for people to read it. So y'all, when you listen to this episode, I am inviting you to tag Lily and tag me and talk about what you're most excited about, and we're going to give away a signed book. So if you want to be entered, you got to play the game. So Lily, thank you so much for being here. Where can people hang out with you?

Lily Womble (30:00):
I would love it if people could hang out anywhere with me that I am, which is my podcast Date brazen podcast, and I'm also on TikTok and Instagram at date Brazen, D-A-T-E-B-R-A-Z-E-N. If you want to work with me, you can go to date brazen.com and find out about my group coaching program, main Character Dating, and you can also work with me and you can pick up the book literally anywhere books are sold. And I have an amazing bonus if you go to date brazen.com/book. It's a podcast listening guide that outlines the 10 top dating issues that you're facing right now and exactly what date Brazen podcast episode to listen to fix your problem right now in your dating life. So if you buy the book and go to date brazen.com/book, you can get that bonus.

Susan Hyatt (30:47):
Oh, what a great bonus. Listen, I'm going to use all of these questions on Scott Hyatt. We'll see if he's going to make it to you.

Lily Womble (30:55):
Yes, go a date you're going to.

Susan Hyatt (30:58):
I'd be like, you have to pass this round of dating. My essence based preferences are

Lily Womble (31:05):
A hundred percent, and I think it's a great tool for people in relationships. I mean, our essence based preferences change as we grow and change how we want to feel, how we want to exist in partnership changes as we grow and change. And so it's an amazing tool for people in partnership as well to settle proof their lives.

Susan Hyatt (31:22):
Settle. Proof your life bitches. All right, thank you, Lily.

Lily Womble (31:29):
Thanks, Susan.

Susan Hyatt (31:34):
Okay, okay. Okay. We had some piping hot tea on that podcast episode, did we not? It was so good. Now, I mentioned in the episode that if you listen to this podcast and you reshare my promos about the podcast or share your own and tag me and Lily Womble, then what's going to happen is that you're going to be entered to win a signed copy of this book. And it is such a good book. And what I have to say about all this is

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It really is about learning to embrace who you are and to develop the bravery to flex who you are in the world, and you will be able to identify, attract, and create beautiful relationships, whether they're friendships or romantic relationships or work relationships, collaborations, et cetera. I think that this work is so needed, and I can't wait to hear what y'all do with it. And also I've got something for you. Listen, I had someone unfortunately need to drop out of my Paris retreat that's coming up in September. So you want details about Paris email in to support@susanhyatt.co or DM me on social media. I have one spot left, so don't miss out on this beautiful opportunity to go to Paris.

 

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