The Nerve to Choose a Different Mindset W/ Michelle Gauthier

We’ve ALL been there, trying to squeeze ourselves into those damn boxes that society has crafted just for us women. 

But here’s the thing. We’re not meant for those boxes. We’re meant for so much more. When we start questioning why we’re expected to conform, when we start scratching the surface of those old expectations, that’s when the magic happens.

In today’s episode, I’ve got Michelle Gauthier with me to dive into a very relatable topic: navigating the pressures of being an overwhelmed working woman and finding the nerve to opt out of societal expectations. 

Michelle is a professional life coach who helps busy, overwhelmed women create a more calm and intentional life. She is also the host of the Overwhelmed Working Woman podcast. 

Michelle is a single mom of two adopted kids and used to be an overwhelmed busy working mom herself. She quit her successful, 20-year corporate career to become a life coach in 2017. Since then, Michelle has helped hundreds of women learn to navigate their careers and home lives with ease. 

When she’s not working, Michelle spends her spare time watching her kids at sporting events, going to Burn Bootcamp, organizing things just for fun, shopping online, and reading self-improvement books. 

You can connect with Michelle here:

Website – https://www.michellegauthier.com/

Podcast – https://www.michellegauthier.com/podcast 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michellegauthiercoaching 

In this episode, we discuss:

  • How a lost gold Rolex is the perfect metaphor for the pressures faced by working women today.
  • The societal expectations placed on women, particularly the struggle to balance a fulfilling career with being the "perfect" mother.
  • The importance of awareness and choice in overcoming these ingrained beliefs.
  • Practical strategies for opting out of overwhelm.
  • The transformative power of seeing examples of women living differently and challenging the status quo.
  • If you're ready to challenge the ceilings above you and build your own table—one where you dictate the terms of your success, happiness, and fulfillment—then this episode is a must-listen!

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Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm master certified life coach Susan Hyatt, and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey.

Hey, hey. In today's episode, I've got Michelle Gothier with me. Michelle's a professional life coach and she helps busy, overwhelmed women create more calm and an intentional life. She's also the host of the Overwhelmed Working Woman podcast. Now, Michelle's a single mom of two adopted kids, and she used to be extremely overwhelmed, really busy mom herself, and she quit her successful 20 year corporate career to become a life coach in 2017. And since that time, she's helped hundreds of women learn how to navigate their careers and home lives with ease. Now she does all the things. She takes her kids to all the sporting events. She loves to organize things just for fun. She likes to shop online and she reads just as many self-improvement books as I do. So I love how Michelle got up the nerve to opt out of what society teaches us, the mindset women should have and the lifestyle we should live.

So I'm sure you're very familiar with the expectations placed on women from a young age. We're inundated with messages about how we should look and act and live, and we're told to aspire to perfection in every aspect of our lives, from our careers to our appearance, to the way we run the household. And this cultural script prescribes us a lifestyle that is completely unattainable, leaving us feeling inadequate, overwhelmed, distracted, and yep, burnt out. It's a script that insists on a woman's value being tied to her ability to juggle everything flawlessly without a hair out of place or a single ball dropped. But what happens when we decide this narrative doesn't serve us? What if we choose to opt out of that narrative? Michelle's journey, as you'll hear her share, is an inspiring example of the power of cultivating a nervy mindset, as I like to call it.

Opting out of culturally prescribed norms is an act of radical self-love and bravery. And when clients come to me ready to opt out of all that too, we first work on their thoughts. What thoughts low quality ones has ingrained in them? These are the thoughts that tell us we're not doing enough, that we're not good enough. They're the blocks that keep us confined conditioned to believe that going beyond our limits is impossible. So thought work isn't about just tricking yourself, it's about swapping low quality thoughts. For high quality ones, I like to think of it as a carwash for the mind cleansing away all those grimy thoughts with gleaming high quality, shiny ones. Think of low quality thoughts as layers of dust and dirt that accumulate on a car over time. They're the internal monologues that say you're not good enough or it's too late.

So for example, a low quality thought might be, if I don't climb the corporate ladder the way everybody else does it, then I failed. Or my home must look sparkling clean all the time, or I'm not a good enough partner or parent. Then think of high quality thoughts like the sheen on a freshly washed car. Scott High is going to love this car metaphor, high quality thoughts affirm things like I'm capable of carving my own path and my value is not determined by how I look, how old I am, et cetera. So an example of a high quality thought might be my career slash business is a reflection of my passions and values, not just a race to the top or creating a joyful home is more important than a flawless one. The transition from low to high quality thoughts does not happen overnight. Have you noticed I work on it all the time, every day.

It requires diligence, like keeping a car clean, demands regular maintenance. It involves catching ourselves when we default to self-doubt and consciously choosing to reframe our mindset. So just this morning, I'm recording this a day late because I was traveling, I don't know if you saw online, I was in Palm Springs, I did a beautiful brunch called The Power Table. I attended a conference called the Alt Summit, and I just got back late last night. And so when I got up this morning after traveling from the West Coast home, little tired, and I was like, you know what? Let's have a gratitude attack. Let's be grateful for the sun shining my fireplace. My kittens so happy to see me mark the beagle in my lap. I very easily could have slipped into, oh my God, why did I book myself solid the day after a trip? Well, I know why. I've got stuff to do. And so, so every woman out there, if you're wrestling with the shoulds and the musts, society throws at us, I encourage you to listen to this episode because when we can catch ourselves in self-doubt, take a pause, recognize when we're measuring our lives against someone else's yardstick, we can decide to craft our own standards of success and joy. So let Michelle's story inspire you to examine any limits you've accepted to challenge them, and to ultimately build a life that serves you.

Susan Hyatt (06:44):
Michelle, welcome to. You've Got Nerve.

Michelle Gauthier (06:47):
Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Susan Hyatt (06:49):
So listen, I have had the pleasure of witnessing Michelle grow her company, by the way, Michelle, did you ever find that Rolex?

Michelle Gauthier (07:02):
Nope. I sure didn't.

Susan Hyatt (07:04):
Darn it. I'm

Michelle Gauthier (07:06):
Still willing it to come back to me. I can't believe you remember that story.

Susan Hyatt (07:10):
So Michelle, Michelle has been in my world for a long while and I'm joking because we were at on the sixth mastermind retreat in Savannah, and she disclosed that she misplaced a gold Rolex.

Michelle Gauthier (07:29):
Sounds so ridiculous.

Susan Hyatt (07:32):
Misplace. Listen, listen, I need everybody to conjure up.

Michelle Gauthier (07:36):
It has a pink face. It's the men's size big one with a pink face.

Susan Hyatt (07:44):
And I just want to point out that Michelle is a very successful coach, but she's also a single mom. And lemme tell you something, what we need is for single moms to find pink face Rolexes. Okay? We need them to find them.

Michelle Gauthier (07:58):
Gosh. Oh my gosh. Because our goal was to try to picture it and have it show up. And I saw I got it custom made, so it's not like one you can just go buy. And I saw a picture of one in a magazine as an advertisement, so I did see it, but I'm like, universe, that's not what I meant. I meant I want the real thing back. So I still think about it from time to time. I'm sure it's making its way back to me.

Susan Hyatt (08:21):
Listen, it's going to make its way back. I'm going to Will itself.

Michelle Gauthier (08:26):
Thank you. Good. But

Susan Hyatt (08:28):
Michelle, you have a really popular podcast,

Michelle Gauthier (08:32):
Overwhelmed Working Woman. Every time I say the name, every woman I talk to, he's like, oh yeah, that's me. It's the podcast for everyone who works, who identifies as a woman.

Susan Hyatt (08:43):
Listen. And so you are out to disrupt that and help women get up the nerve to choose a different mindset, a different lifestyle, which is so needed. So what do you think, and all the work that you do with your clients and all of the podcast episodes that you've done and all the guests you've interviewed, what do you notice is required to get up the nerve to opt out of what culture teaches us?

Michelle Gauthier (09:16):
Yeah. I always say that the pain of staying in the overwhelm gets so bad, which is how I was able to transform my life gets so bad and you're so miserable that you get to the point that you're like, I don't care what it takes. I have got to fix this. Yes, it's uncomfortable to make a change. It's uncomfortable to start having boundaries and saying no to people and all those things. But if you compare that discomfort to living in the stress of overwhelm, I mean, you know how that feels. I feel like you were in the same spot when you're a realtor, it literally makes you sick in the body and in the mind, and it's miserable. You can't connect with your kids. You can't do a great job at work too frazzled and frantic all the time. So people have to get sick enough of that, that they're willing to go through the discomfort of making a change. And I think one of the biggest things is they just have to know it's possible. You don't have to follow this script. And that's why I feel so passionate about what I teach because it is an option. It's a choice that we're making, but we don't have to.

Susan Hyatt (10:24):
Well, right. And I think that when I was the poster child for being an overwhelmed working woman and mom back in the day, I looked around and didn't realize how much other working moms were suffering. And also even people who did vent about how overwhelmed and overworked and stressed out they were, I didn't see any examples of women who were doing it differently. And it's like I am always saying, if you can't see it, you can't be it. And so I'm grateful that there are examples in the world like you to say, actually, here's what I did to change that narrative for myself. And so what do you think in terms of when women discover that, oh, I've been taught to operate in this way that is really hurting me, it's hurting my physical health, it's hurting my mental health, it's hurting my relationships. What do you think are some of the first things that need to happen for women to create a different life for themselves?

Michelle Gauthier (11:47):
Yeah, I think the first is the awareness. So in the example that you're giving where the person realizes, oh, I've been sort of socialized, I think for our generation, I don't know if your mom worked, Susan, my mom stayed home. So I think we have this pressure to be both of our parents. We have the opportunity to, in my case, have a great career, my dad, and also be the mom with the mostest. My mom did, and it's too much. So I feel like we're figuring it out and our daughters hopefully aren't going to have to do this, but we have to realize that we're in the middle here where we're really defining a new situation and a new way to do things. And so just realizing you're in it is first. And then realizing that overwhelm is a choice. And people sometimes don't like when I say that, but it's a choice that we're making by, it's like we're voting every time we do too many things.

We sign up for something that we don't actually want to do, where we buy into the idea that everybody has to feel like that we're putting a vote in the jar of overwhelm. And so just realizing that it's a choice, not in a way women to go down the path a lot of, oh my gosh, I've totally screwed this up. This is all wrong. I've been a terrible mom, whatever, not that way. Just from a neutral perspective, I see what I'm doing. I'm voting for the wrong party here, and I'm going to start voting for being a calm mom by changing the way that I think and the things I do and the beliefs that I have. So I'd say that's really the first step is just realizing that you're doing it,

Susan Hyatt (13:24):
Realizing you're doing it, recognizing that it is a choice. That's a tough pill to swallow, man. I remember learning like, oh wow, I've been choosing to opt into this and if I want to opt out, what does that mean? And I think that's where the nerve comes in because most people are operating on default. They're reacting to their lives instead of creating it. And so if you're acknowledging like, oh wow, I'm more powerful than I think I can choose something different, but if I do, certain things might happen. So what needs to happen after awareness is gained for people to make some different choices? And what are some examples of some different choices you've made that have helped to alleviate? I really agree with what you're saying. I think many of us bought into the idea that, okay, I'm a feminist. I have choice and I can choose different things, but what I have seen happen in my own life and in others' lives is like, oh, okay, well now I'm just going to do it all. Like you were saying, I'm going to have the career and then I'm also going to be the mom with the mostest. And what that ends up creating is two full-time jobs.

Michelle Gauthier (14:57):
Yes, exactly. And something that no one, literally no one can do that. I think once you realize that you're doing it and you're ready to have a different kind of life, you just have to start small. Sometimes we feel like I'm overwhelmed all the time, but that really isn't true. It's not all the time. So I would say the first thing is to just sort of make friends with your overwhelm. Sort of sit with it and say, what is it? Is it, for example, I had a boss who just instant, anytime I got a call or a text or anything, it was just instant overwhelm or is it a certain topic, thinking about changing your job really makes you feel stressed out and really realizing what's already working and then what isn't starting to think about what's possible. And that is exactly what you alluded to.

If you can't picture in your mind anything different, it's going to be really hard to create that. But you can create that just in a daydream. You don't have to do anything with it at first. Just imagine what it would be like. And oftentimes when I ask my client, well, what would your ideal day be? They're like, what do you mean? Well, what do you like to do for fun? I don't know anymore. So just even getting back to that and connecting with yourself and making those small changes. And then I think really just practical steps of making choices. So for example, if you let your kids sign up for three team sports in a season, you're going to be overwhelmed. That's way too much.

Susan Hyatt (16:26):
Listen, if any of y'all listening, right? The fuck. Now, if any of you listening have allowed three team sports in one season, I want you to compassionately fire something. Okay? It is. I don't know how I escaped team sports with my kids. You hit well, they did little things when they were really little. But I escaped all the traveling sports. My kids just had other interests. Like Ryan was into martial arts, Cora was into band and art. And so I have plenty of friends though, and colleagues who are running all over, running the wheels off their car with all these team sports. So you have to take a look at what are you creating for yourself out of this mom guilt.

Michelle Gauthier (17:22):
Yes, exactly. And then I think even within, my daughter does horse, which is a very time consuming sport. She goes to the barn three times a week. She had a show this past weekend. It was nine to five, Saturday, noon to seven on Sunday. I mean, it is some serious long hours. And I think just asking yourself, do I need to be there the whole time? Do I have to do this sport myself or can I sometimes? So I dropped her off at noon on Sunday, and all the other parents were there, and I thought, I'm going to have, I set myself up for Monday on Sunday. If I don't get a chance to do that, which I'm not going to get to do, my week is going to start off on the wrong foot and I'm going to feel overwhelmed. So I prioritize that calm feeling over anything else. And so I said, you're good to go. You're not riding for five hours. You have fun with your friends. Watch everybody else. I'm leaving. I'm going to go back home and I'm going to do my thing. I'm going to order groceries, get our home organized and do that. So even within the things that your kids do, do, just making choices for you, making your calmness, your peaceful feeling, number one.

Susan Hyatt (18:35):
Well, I think that's such a good point, that there's always a way, right? There's always a way. And the Sunday, getting ready for the week thing, I think is so huge. I was talking about in my Yes group, don't let tired nighttime, you create messes for future. You don't. As soon as I taught that though, I left dirty dishes in the sink and the next morning I was like,

Michelle Gauthier (19:07):

Susan Hyatt (19:08):
And it just sets your day off in a way that isn't great. And the same is true for having that time to set up your week, whether it's meal prep or just getting laundry, getting things organized, whatever. And so I love that you were like, okay, all the other parents are there and I've done enough this weekend and she can be there without me while I do what I need to do to create the conditions for me to have a good week

Michelle Gauthier (19:38):
And our whole family to have a good week. Because if I'm frantic, they're frantic. So if we can start it off on a conflict, that's great. And I have learned to, and if this sounds far away from someone who's listening to this, that's okay. It sounded far away for me too, but I've learned to walk out that door. And one of the other moms said, you're leaving. And I was like, I am. I'll see you in a couple hours. Zero thoughts. I just walked out. I knew that was best for me. She was probably maybe thinking, I wish I was going, or She's a terrible mom, or whatever she wanted to think or nothing. Maybe she wasn't thinking about me at all. But I have no thoughts about that anymore. And that's really powerful too.

Susan Hyatt (20:14):
It is really powerful because we can, a lot of the reason why we don't get up the nerve to make the changes that we have is because we are allowing people to have real estate in our minds that we're so worried about what other people are going to think or judgment from other moms. Because let's face it, the mommy wars are real. And we can opt out of those too, because lemme tell you something, I was a stay at home mom. I was a work totally outside the home, full-time mom. I a work part-time from home mom, and I was a work full-time from home mom. So I've done literally every iteration of what moms get in fights about. And there is no choice that I made. There was no scenario that I created where someone wasn't going to have judgment about me not doing it well enough.

Oh, you're a stay at home mom where you're wasting your education. Oh, you're working a full-time job outside of your home. Oh, well, what about the kids? And then part-time. Oh, well, and it's just kind of like you noticed that culture at large doesn't want us to win or create our own thing outside of the narrative. So it's like, why don't we just do what we need to do? Which can be very unique to us, although I think all human beings deserve downtime and time to plan and all those things. But you're talking about something that I think is really important, which is creating those conditions from a feeling state. So protecting your peace

Michelle Gauthier (21:58):

Susan Hyatt (21:59):
Of advocating for fucking overwhelm.

Michelle Gauthier (22:01):
Yes. And if you can even just ask yourself the question, will this make me feel more or less overwhelmed when you're going to do something, you can just use that as your lens. One of the things I do on Sunday is I look at my whole schedule. I write out a few things that I'm doing on each day, and then I make a whole to-do list for the week, and I look at the times where I don't already have clients scheduled or don't have meetings, and I think, where am I going to slot these things in every single time? There are things that are just going to have to not get done. I think being willing to make that choice, and again, sit with the discomfort of that. I'm an a plus kind of person. I'd love to get everything done. When you have your own business, there's no end to the work you can do. So if I'm not prioritizing and asking myself the question, will this make me feel more or less overwhelmed? Then I'm just going to try to do all those things and drive myself crazy where now, and I can see them all. I mean, this week when I went back, there were three or four things on the list from last week that still didn't make it on the calendar this week. And that's okay. Maybe I'll get to 'em and maybe I won't.

Susan Hyatt (23:06):
I love that. And then I also would add, when you make your list, who else can do this?

Michelle Gauthier (23:14):

Susan Hyatt (23:16):
Can I outsource this? Can I talk somebody else into this? Yep.

Michelle Gauthier (23:22):
Yep. Exactly.

Susan Hyatt (23:22):
But even still, there are things that just,

Michelle Gauthier (23:26):
And the things that fall down usually are work things that I would love to have the time to do, but they don't fit into the hours that I choose to work. And so that just means they're not going to happen. And I have at this point, I mean six years in, I feel like I've outsourced every possible thing that you can outsource. I put my laundry out on the porch on Tuesday mornings, it comes back folded kaari style. By the way, on Wednesday mornings, I have my house cleaned. I pay my teenage son to drive his sister to the barn one day a week. So I don't have to do it. I mean, I'm constantly thinking of all the things that I can do where I can pay someone to do.

Susan Hyatt (24:05):
I love that. And I think that's an excellent point to bring up. So for any of you listening who are suffering in silence with yourself, often when we're thinking, oh, well, all these other overwhelmed working moms have it all together and we're not being honest, or have people that you can talk to about this or choose to have people to talk to about this. So then what happens is you just take it all on and don't realize like, oh, Michelle outsources her laundry and Susan outsources her food. Although I'm in my chef era right now, so I That's

Michelle Gauthier (24:46):
Right. That's right.

Susan Hyatt (24:47):
My food back.

Michelle Gauthier (24:49):
I bet you're going to give it away again eventually though, when you're sick of it. When

Susan Hyatt (24:52):
I'm sick of it, my friend Robert, the weekend when I started cooking, he goes, this will be over by Tuesday. And so he's shocked that I'm still actually into it. And I

Michelle Gauthier (25:06):
Did that. This will be over by Tuesday.

Susan Hyatt (25:09):
I mean, he was like, what? And everybody who knows me is what is happening, but I chose to do it or take it back because I'm weirdly having fun with it. So Right. It's not something that I took back and now I'm overwhelmed and I'm just suffering. Right. It's like I'm having fun with it. As soon as it starts to feel like a burden, it's going to go again. But I think that for any of you listening who are like, well, that's all well and good, Susan and Michelle, but I don't have the extra budget right now to do those things. Here's what I have to say. There are people living in your house probably who could do more. And let's just start there. Let's start with the free labor of the people eating your food and sleeping on your sheets. Okay?

Michelle Gauthier (25:57):
Absolutely. And I think we can always, my old job when I had a corporate job was to make things as absolutely efficient as possible. So my brain is constantly thinking about efficiency. And a friend just asked me the other day, well, how do you trust somebody else to do your laundry? What if there's something that needs to be dried without going in the dryer or something special like that? I was like, I don't have stuff like that. If it can't be washed and dried, and if it's a dish and it can't go in the dishwasher, it's not in my house. I still have cute clothes and I have pretty dishes. But I mean, that's such a tiny thing. But think about the brain power that it would take to remember, oh, I got to take this bra before I put stuff in the dryer. I got to take this out. I mean, tiny little things like that that just make you have to think about things or do extra work, just start cutting them out. That doesn't cost anything.

Susan Hyatt (26:50):
And you know what I've often thought, if something is a casualty to me outsourcing this, then that's what happens.

Michelle Gauthier (27:01):

Susan Hyatt (27:02):
It's more important that this get off my plate than it get done exactly the way I would want it.

Michelle Gauthier (27:08):
Exactly. Because if you want it done exactly the way you want to have it done, then you're going to have to do it. And is you doing it going to make you feel overwhelmed? If the answer is yes, then it's like, get over it. I used to have to tell myself that about having a nanny. My kids are older now, so I don't have it, but I'd have to tell myself if I want her to be just like me, then it's going to have to be me. And I love working and I want to do this, and I'm going to give my kids this opportunity to spend time with another person who can teach them different things that I wouldn't.

Susan Hyatt (27:37):
Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. What do you think in terms of overcoming this overwhelm? And so we have awareness, we have understanding that you're overwhelm is a choice. We have getting into the habit of daydreaming about what's working, what's not working, and what's possible, and then with what's possible, allowing yourself to daydream a little bit about what your life might be like if you were less overwhelmed. When women start to daydream and let's say they hit on an ideal day scenario that looks real different than how they're living right now. Do you have a mindset mantra or a go-to belief that people could try on and practice while they're getting up the nerve to make changes?

Michelle Gauthier (28:42):
Yes. Yeah. First of all, I would say take that ideal day. Write the whole darn thing down. Or if you're more of a visual person, make a vision board so that you've got it on there, and then just pick one little piece of it. So for example, I have wanted to be able to travel with my kids, so I have wanted to take them to Europe and just now, I booked the tickets and we're doing it. I told a friend, she said, oh, you've been talking about that for, so you can't make things come to fruition right away all the time. But I have had that picture in the back of my mind, and the way that I thought about it was, I want to have the freedom, the kind of life where taking a trip to Europe with my kids for several weeks is possible.

So I think any mantra that just reminds you, or I'm working towards the kind of life where I enjoy my days. I'm working towards the kind of life where I feel relaxed and connected with my family. So it's not done yet. You don't have to make it another project that makes you feel stressed out. Just work on those little pieces and little pieces. For me, were researching places for us to go. I have a friend who lives in Paris, reaching out to her, researching the ticket prices and having those emailed to me all the time so I could get used to, okay, this is the amount of money I'm going to spend on it. Just little bitty pieces of that. And it just kept coming to my mind, and eventually I was like, I don't know exactly how, but this is going to work out.

I'm buying these tickets. The middle part is going to fill in, so at some point you have to take the action to move in that direction. I took the action to quit my corporate job. I had a dream of becoming a life coach, but before that, I took little steps. I read self-help books, I did meditations. I finally signed up for Martha Beck Life Coaching, which is where I first heard of you, Susan, now that I think of it, yeah, you were a teacher on our thing, but I didn't do, it wasn't like all of a sudden one day I was like, okay, now I'm a life coach. I'm not a corporate person anymore. It's just little steps day by day, and all of a sudden you're like, oh, I feel better.

Susan Hyatt (30:49):
And I find that once you write out your ideal day and you start doing research, you start imagining what it might be like. Then all of a sudden, I like to think of it like the combination of elbow grease and spiritual grease. All of a sudden you take these little moves and God, the universe, your higher self, whatever, higher power you believe in conspires with you. So you have to do things, but the door opens a little easier for you to walk through when you start to take those little steps. And it's, for me, lately, it's been kind of wild, like, oh, wow. Once you get into the habit of that, then it's like, oh, wow, there it is. Am I going to walk through that door? There's that open door.

Michelle Gauthier (31:45):
Yes. I think it's because you have the awareness and you start looking for the signs. You start looking for these opportunities, and it's like, oh gosh, there it is. And I'm sure you've done this a million times, but you just put something out there that you want, and all of a sudden the opportunity shows up like, Hey, do you want to be a speaker here? Or do you want to go on this trip? Or whatever it is. It just seems to come up.

Susan Hyatt (32:10):
It just seems to happen. It does. When you get into a, what would you say is a common feeling state your clients are after. If it's not overwhelm,

Michelle Gauthier (32:24):
Calm is what they usually say, or intentional, peaceful.

Susan Hyatt (32:30):
So if you are in the calm, peaceful zone, it's so much easier to recognize and seize opportunity. If you're overwhelmed and stressed out, you're going to miss. It's like that door could be opening in your face and you won't see it like

Michelle Gauthier (32:50):
Or whatever

Susan Hyatt (32:51):
It might be.

Michelle Gauthier (32:52):
Yep, that's exactly true. I was doing this meditation and it said to try to go somewhere where you go all the time and notice new things. I was driving my son to school, which was always in a hurry. I was always in a hurry to drop him off. I was trying to do it. I noticed I've driven past this a hundred times, and I noticed there was this cute bench with little flowers going around it that was just on the side of the highway. And I'm like, I have driven past that a hundred times and I've never seen it. It was just this little peaceful place. And so when you start tuning into where's the peace, and maybe the peace is in a person who you love but you haven't spent a lot of time with lately, and suddenly they show back up in your life and you spend time with them, or you'll just find little pockets of it and find yourself being in that energy.

And one other thing that I want to say too is that I still get overwhelmed. So this is not like a cure, and you do it and you just suddenly feel amazing all the time. It's something that we just have to every day make choices to decide, okay, I'm going to do this thing that's going to make me feel less overwhelmed, or I'm going to just go with what I had planned. Even though I want to go off and chase this shiny object, I'm just going to stick with what I have planned. So it's just about that mindset and making those choices just day in, day out.

Susan Hyatt (34:11):
Yeah, I think that that's a good point to make because often I will teach a thing and then find myself like, oh wow, here it is coming up for me again. So it's like there's always work to be done, and we're all human and

Michelle Gauthier (34:27):
Yeah, exactly. I think you could just get out of it faster when you have the training and you've done it a million times, but I swear every time I'm teaching a webinar or I've got group coaching or something, one of my kids will get sick or there'll be something going on in my house. There's just always something that makes you have the potential to get overwhelmed. That's how life is. That's okay. Absolutely.

Susan Hyatt (34:52):
Absolutely. Well, I love the work that you're doing. Thank you for being such a lighthouse in the world for overwhelmed women and moms. And so obviously, we're going to put in the show notes, all the places where you can find Michelle there. Is there a preferred way for people to find you that you want to share? No. My

Michelle Gauthier (35:13):
Name Michelle Gauthier, Michelle with two Ls, and then G-A-U-T-H-I-E r.com is my website. It has everything like how to work with me, how to link to my podcast. Everything you could need is there. Same on Instagram. Michelle Gothy your coaching. So you can follow me in any of those places.

Susan Hyatt (35:31):
Yay. Well, thank you. Yeah,

Michelle Gauthier (35:33):
Thank you. I love the work you're doing too. We're trying to make women's lives better,

Susan Hyatt (35:39):
And I think we're succeeding.

Michelle Gauthier (35:41):
I do too. I do too. We're doing such a good job.

Susan Hyatt (35:47):
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