The Nerve to Build a Bridge to Your Dream Ft. Tamsyn Allington

Many people dream of leaving their careers to start their businesses, but the reality of this move can be financially and emotionally taxing. 

In this episode of You’ve Got Nerve, I’ve got Tamsyn Allington with me. Tamsyn is the founder of Tamsyn & Co, a Workplace Culture, Engagement, and Communications company working in the People Development space. Tamsyn & Co. helps senior teams and leaders develop happy workplaces that support happy humans to do the best work of their lives. 

Tamsyn is also a certified coach, facilitator, and mentor working with female leaders and entrepreneurs, helping them claim their voice, visibility, and values, especially during times of career change or growth. 

She’s on a mission to help people make the world of their work, better, and is passionate about creating the right conditions to help harness and release the potential of everyone. 

You can connect with Tamsyn:
Website: https://www.tamsyn.co/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tamsynandco/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsynallington/

Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/2YM0Aczol1mJs2PKpqgwD7?si=bc996aca181a4971

Newsletter: https://tamsynandco.myflodesk.com/welcome

Tamsyn left her stable corporate job to start her own business by creating a “bridge” that allowed her to gradually move from the security of regular paychecks to the challenges and rewards of entrepreneurship.

In this episode, we discuss:

In this episode, we discuss:

  • How Tamsyn shifted from the corporate sandbox to shaping her own company, focusing on what she’s best at: making workplaces healthier and more fulfilling. 
  • The tough calls she made along the way and the wake-up call that pushed her to say, "Enough!"
  • How a temporary gig helped her smoothly transition from her old job to her new venture.
  • The deeper reasons behind bold career moves and why sticking to what makes you tick is non-negotiable.
  • The mindset shifts and strategies that anyone looking to make a change can borrow.

Whether you're contemplating a career change, starting your own business, or seeking inspiration to make bold moves, Tamsyn’s story is a must-listen!

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Susan Hyatt (00:00):
Is there something you wish you had the nerve to do? Welcome to, you've Got Nerve, the podcast that teaches you how to conquer your fears, upgrade your mindset, and get up the nerve to go after whatever you want. If you wish you had the guts to go all in on your goals, dreams, and desires, this show is for you. I'm master certified life coach Susan Hyatt, and I am so excited for you to join me on this journey. Hey, hey. So this one is for all of y'all trying to get up the nerve to leave a toxic workplace. In today's episode, I've got somebody who did just that, Tamsin Ellington. Now she is the founder of Tamsin and Co, a workplace culture, engagement and communications company working in the people development space. She helps senior teams and leaders develop happy workplaces that support happy humans to do the best work of their lives.

Now Tamsin is also a certified coach, facilitator and mentor. She loves working with female leaders and entrepreneurs, helping them claim their voice, visibility and values the Triple V y'all, especially during times of career change or growth. Now listen, Tamsin got up the nerve to leave her corporate career because she knew that it just no longer was serving her health, her wellbeing, and it was a major factor that contributed to her burnout. So she consciously decided to pivot and go on to create her own consulting and coaching practice. And one of my favorite things that Tamsen did to make this transition was to build a bridge, taking an interim role for six months to transition more smoothly into her new business. Leaping from a steady career to starting your own business can absolutely stir up a lot of fear with the security of your regular paycheck on one side and the dream of entrepreneurship on the other.

So instead of quitting and starting your own business, some people like Tamsin prefer to build a bridge, providing a financial and emotional safety net while you get things going. It's a middle ground that allows you to maintain some financial stability, which can reduce your stress and help you focus on building your new business with a clear mind and heart. Some people take an interim role that aligns with their existing career, but affords them more time and space to build their business. And others choose a bridge role that aligns closer with the business they want to build. And some people take a job completely outside of their industry, but one that they feel affords them more energy. So for example, some people who choose to start a business in a creative field might bridge to that business by working in a data-driven role using a different part of their brain.

Entrepreneurship is inherently risky and takes time to become profitable. So taking a bridge role mitigate some of that risk by creating a more thoughtful balance between the aspirational parts of entrepreneurship and the practical necessities of earning a living real talk. A bridge role is also a great way to learn and grow because depending on the job, you can use it to fill the gaps in your knowledge and pay closer attention to things like business operations. It's also a great way to prepare mentally for entrepreneurship if you've never had your own business. Shifting into an entrepreneurial mindset can be tricky. When you create a bridge, you allow yourself the space to adjust to the uncertainties and challenges of running a business. You have time to build more resilience and mentally prepare for what's to come. So if you're ready to build your bridge to your dream business, here's what I suggest. Look at your financial needs, your career skills, and ask yourself a few questions. What kind of bridge role could support this transition? What kind of skills do you want to use and or learn in your bridge? And does this bridge align with your long-term goals? Building a bridge is a thoughtful strategic approach to career transition, helping you navigate the uncertainties of leaving a steady career behind. Now let's hear from Tamsen, the expert on this, about her bridge role and the amazing business that she built from it.

Susan Hyatt (04:55):
Welcome to you've got Nerve Tamsin. Thank you Susan. I'm so excited to have you here because I have obviously had the honor of watching you evolve over the past decade and you are the poster child for pivoting and reinvention and taking a look around and deciding this ain't it, and making changes. In fact, this past weekend I was in California at the California Women's Conference and Brene Brown was supposed to be the keynote speaker and the mc of the event said, I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is we just found out Brene Brown has Covid and the whole 4,000 people in an auditorium. Everybody was like this collective panic.

And then she said, but the good news is dun dun dun, we have Viola Davis. And when I tell you I screamed and something Viola Davis said, she talked about, listen, I have been to the top of the mountain and I've looked around and that ain't it y'all. She's basically like, I'm burnout. And those people at the top of the mountain, what you think is at the top of the mountain isn't really the thing. And I think that that lends beautifully to what we're going to talk about, which is your ability to do the same, like survey the land, survey the air at the top of the mountain and say, guess what? So give the people a little background of what you do and what happened. And I want to talk about how you got the nerve to make these big bold changes and moves in your life.

Tamsyn Allington (06:59):
Okay, well what an introduction. Thank you.

Susan Hyatt (07:02):
You're welcome.

Tamsyn Allington (07:03):
Yeah, when we spoke a couple of session coaching sessions ago, we talked about how long we've known each other and it is well over 10 years, which is incredible. And I feel when I think about some of the sessions that we would've had 10 years ago, I feel like I'm a different person, but I am the same person. I've just worked to get myself into the place that I want to be really. So it is interesting as you were saying that what came to mind for me actually the work I do now is very much two things. I stepped out on my own and created my own consulting and coaching practice in 2022.

Prior to that, I had held several exec level roles predominantly within the hospitality space, both in operations people and comms communications. But I would say what I'm probably known for within the corporate space is definitely strategic people management and communications and engagement. In 2022, I exited my last corporate gig, and that was a painful process, but it had been a long time coming. And now my practice, I do two things. I work with senior teams, CEOs, founders, exec teams to help them really get clear about the culture that they want to create inside their organization, how they want to describe that, how they want to develop their people to be able to deliver the aims of the organization. I passionately believe in healthy workplaces, so creating conditions for people to thrive, not just survive. And so that's a part of what I offer in my corporate work.

And the other part of my work is very much focused on supporting individuals to pivot or change career that could be or change work actually. That could be people that want to change career direction or it could be people that want to exit their corporate career. I predominantly attract women in that space, although I do have some men that I've worked with. And all of that is really underpinned by my belief and my experience that you should enjoy your work. Most of us spend an extraordinary amount of time working and you get one shot at this, and life is too short to be anything other than in a space where you can get fulfillment and passion and joy from your work. And I think in many cases we do not create the right conditions for people to thrive at work. And that was certainly towards the latter end of my career was my experience.

And what that resulted in for me was a period of burnout of, well, in fact, more than one period actually of challenges with my physical health and probably the realization that some of the changes that I wanted to make for myself I should have done sooner. And that was really just in service of wanting to be more well physically and mentally myself. So that's me where I am right now. And I've tried to move away from working in the corporate space a few times in terms of consulting and I have become much more focused on supporting businesses and only businesses that actually want to make good change, positive change. There are a lot of businesses out there that don't want to do that and they're not for me.

Susan Hyatt (11:12):
Can you think of a time when you were a corporate employee when you looked around and in the US we would say, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? What was the final moment where you were like, you know what, I am absolutely out of here.

Tamsyn Allington (11:39):
I think well isn't one moment in time, I suppose what I would say is when I go right back to the beginning and I think about my childhood and how I grew up and where I grew up and what I thought I was end up doing when I was a child and what I ended up doing, they were two different things. And actually until we started this conversation, I hadn't really considered it in this way, but actually my background is I grew up in a pretty remote but very creative part of the uk and my mother passed away last year, but she was very mentally unwell for my entire life. So she was misdiagnosed and then was laterally diagnosed with bipolar. And that made for a fairly challenging childhood in terms of stability and security. And I think until she passed away last year, I hadn't really considered the true impact on me in terms of what I was trying to create and what I was trying to pivot away from and those types of things.

So I think when I look back, I think, well, I was probably never, and I wanted to be an artist actually, and there's an article or an EShot in there somewhere about how I went from wanting to be an artist or how I became a human resources director, which was one of the jobs that I did in my corporate career because those two things are quite a long way away from each other. But I think when I look back and know what my true passions were as a young person growing up and then what I ended up doing over a series of years as my corporate career evolved, I probably already should have known that I was not going to fit the traditional sort of corporate mold. And I think that's probably more of the lesson for me is that all of the whispers and all of the things that we're indicating you're probably in the wrong space tam, and you're having to shrink to fit, right?

That's probably the way I would describe that. A lot of my corporate experience, particularly laterally when I got more senior, those things, my experience, whether they were less appreciated in certain spaces, I have one business on my resume that was the greatest point in my career, and that was the first time I was invited to sit on an operations board. And it was a very creative, fast moving, innovative business. And I naively thought that all businesses would be like that, and of course they're not. So I probably had a taste of what good looks like and then thought everybody would be the same, but they weren't. But what I realized is that the more I stro for what I believe was right, the more I aligned to my own values, the more I allowed myself to think about possibility and how workplaces could evolve. And all of the conversations that we're now having much more of in this time, in some cases, not always deeply, but when we think about how we ensure that environments help people feel included, how we ensure that we help people understand what equity actually means, how we can ensure that we are not consistently just being in an echo chamber and providing opportunities for people that sit in patriarchal systems or the boys club or whatever that looks like.

The more I rallied against that, the more I realized that I was becoming what effectively ostracized to myself in those situations. And I think the straw that broke the camel's back for me was realizing that I was spending a huge amount of time and energy building somebody else's thing and following somebody else's path because they believe that was the right thing to do and the right way to do business. And actually the reward for me was burnout.

Susan Hyatt (15:56):
Wait, whoa, okay. The straw was I realized I was building somebody else's thing based on their values and my reward was burnout.

Tamsyn Allington (16:10):
So that's a short circuited version. And I guess I really want to be clear about saying that I don't hold anybody responsible for that other than me, but at the time I probably didn't recognize what was happening. I think the lead up to covid and the situations that many people found themselves in during covid, whether you are inside corporate or whether you're working for yourself or whether you're an employee, put everybody into extraordinary situations. But I ground to a halt and made myself really poorly, really unwell, but probably refused to recognize it. So continued to limp along for quite some time because I was scared to say, no, I am naturally a people pleaser like many of us are.

And I think I lost sight of myself. I stopped thinking about things in a rounded way. I was definitely in survival mode and I hold myself responsible for finding myself in that situation, but the people around me didn't help me navigate out of it. So I think they were quite happy to see me work and support and help. I think they were quite happy to take everything that I was prepared to give, but what I didn't do was stand up and put boundaries around myself and my energy and my health and my wellbeing, and I'm responsible for that. I guess what I'm trying to say is I certainly reflect back on that time and will take responsibility for the fact that I probably wasn't operating to the best of my ability, but equally, I think there was an element of being taken advantage of too.

Susan Hyatt (18:13):
Well, and just listening to you talk through that, I would say we can hold the system responsible and we can also think about the fact that for any of you listening who are in a work situation that is similar, if you're nodding along, it's really understanding that patriarchal systems and the people who are trying to survive within them will always take, they will forever take whatever you're going to give. And so it's like the lesson we can glean from your story so far, and there's so many of them is like, okay, it is really imperative that we figure out how to advocate for ourselves and have boundaries because otherwise there isn't someone on the other end that's going to do that. They're just going to accept.

Tamsyn Allington (19:10):
Absolutely. And I think so the lessons that I've learned along the way have helped me come out the other side of that and navigate because I reached a point where I didn't have a choice. I was going to have to leave this environment because it no longer served me and I was no longer welcome and I no longer wanted to be there. So it was like this trifecta of all of the conditions are wrong from all sides of this kind of partnership. And so now where I am, I've worked not in a linear way to try and find, so I've tested things, I've tried things. You are on this sort of rollercoaster of redefining your work in a way that feels very different because all of a sudden you're stepping outside of some of the things that you may have taken for granted in terms of what the system does provide for you. And that could be something as simple as, actually I underestimated when I first went out on my own, the importance that I placed upon going to a workplace and having colleagues,

Susan Hyatt (20:21):
You feel lonely,

Tamsyn Allington (20:23):
You feel really lonely, and I'm thinking, I'm an introvert. I love being on my own. It's cool. I just want to spend every day in my home office. And then you realize, actually the only person I've spoken to today is my dog because my husband's not here. So it's all the little things that actually I probably took for granted being inside a workplace that I've had to sort of recreate and think about different ways to do it that meets my needs to keep myself into a good place.

Susan Hyatt (20:59):
And I agree. I think that there are many, many benefits to an established workspace that entrepreneurs are like, whoa, who's going to stuff these envelopes? I'm showing my age. No one's stuffing any envelopes. But my question is, so what was it that you had to tell yourself, right? You were like, well, ultimately I had to leave for my mental and my physical health. And so how did you get up the nerve to do it? Many people are listening to this, I'm telling you right now, and y'all can DM me and out yourselves and we'll help you. But there are many people listening to this that are like, well, great for you to say, I'm glad you got out, but I have a mortgage and I have a sick mom I'm taking care of and kids and whatever. What was it? And I know you had your own obligations, but what was it that you told yourself that helped you create the nerve to bet on yourself and get out?

Tamsyn Allington (22:10):
Okay, so betting on yourself is a really great point. The practical piece, before we get into the more philosophical piece, the practical pieces, I needed to work out my numbers. I needed to do some of the things that I think, it's not like it was the first time that I ever thought about going out on my own. I worked out my numbers. I advocated myself for myself with my husband. We talked about the practicalities of what we needed to ensure that we can cover, we don't have children, but my husband has parental responsibility, has a daughter. We have financial obligations that go along with that. We have a mortgage to pay and all of the other things. So there was a very practical piece about let's just work out a plan because I think sometimes we talk ourselves out of things without actually digging into the numbers, and there's some comfort in that stuff.

Once you actually get it out on paper, it's sometimes scarier to think about it than actually to go through the practical process of doing that. The other thing I did, which for some people listening, they may go, oh, but I don't want to do that. I built a bridge. I got an interim gig between the point of me exiting my last permanent role as the people and comms director in my last company. I got an interim gig and I took it for six months because I built a bridge. I knew that I wasn't going to be able to go immediately from the security and safety of a full-time role into a fully booked consulting practice. So I built a bridge and I worked through what that would look like, and I set myself, I signed up for six months, they asked me to stay longer, and I said no, because I knew that if I said yes, I would probably go round again and stay. And actually I didn't want to do that. So I think there was some practical things that I did to help me navigate. And when I work with people now, those are always top of the list to think about because it is hierarchy of needs stuff, isn't it? You want to ensure that you have safety and security in order to open up your mind to think about the possibility. So get the basics right, ask for help. I just

Susan Hyatt (24:23):
Want to pause right here. I love this point that you're making because often there are, when listen, in the entrepreneurial space, I talk a lot about risk and some people are wired. There are some people who have a capacity for risk that I do not understand. They'll burn all the bridges, burn all the boats, have a nickel to their name and be all right with it. And other people could have years of savings and still not be okay or feel safe. And I fall right in the middle where I can take some financial and emotional risk. But I am aligned with what you're saying about building a bridge because often or having some kind of safety net saved up, because often what happens if you burn all the boats and you have a nickel, then you become so stressed out about surviving that you're not able to access what you just said, think creatively about what you could do. I think that's such a profound statement because listen, y'all are going to listen to a lot of podcasts that are going to tell you to have no backup plan and just do it. And I'm here to say, maybe not,

Tamsyn Allington (25:39):

Susan Hyatt (25:39):
Have a bridge.

Tamsyn Allington (25:41):
And I understand that. And I suppose I go back to the point of my lived experience as a child was living with a mother who was unwell, and one of my mom's challenges through her health condition was she was awful with money. The bipolar nature of her, well, the condition of bipolar meant that she would either be very free falling with money and out here spending all the money that we didn't have down to crawling on the floor. So what that meant for me as a child is that I learned the skill of being the adult. So I interpreted that as I am responsible. So I've always, even when I married my husband and we have an incredible relationship and we are partners and equal, I still found it hard to accept his help because I'm like, no, no, no, I need to be the person that pays the bills.

I need to be the person that covers the mortgage, all of that stuff. So that for me was quite tough to be able to take a bit of a risk and go, actually, I'm okay. I can make this work. But it only came from those practical planning things to know that I had that safety net. And the thing that goes along that is asking for help, not keeping it to myself, asking for not necessarily financial help, but where I needed a bridge. I went out, I asked my network, and I was recommended for a role, and that helped me. If I hadn't have done that, I wouldn't have had that opportunity. So telling people what you're planning to do, I don't necessarily mean going out there and broadcasting it to the world, but you can do that if you choose to. But just thinking about who are the people in your network, in your people that you've worked with before, even if you're stepping out of a corporate world and you've never done it before, there'll be people undoubtedly in your CV history that you can go back to and say, Hey, I'm coming out and doing this thing now.

Please would you consider me for anything that you may think is suitable or refer me or recommend me? So all of that is just part of the plan of building your bridge really.

So there was a lot of that, and there's still a little bit of that because it's an evolving thing all of the time. So it's not a one and done. It's something to keep for me front of mind about ensuring that I know what the next few months look like. And for me, that's just a very practical planning exercise. I think the second part of your question about how do you actually back yourself, what I realized after I'd pulled myself back from this sense of I lost some confidence during that time, I did a couple of things. I asked for some testimonials actually. I went out and asked people that either worked for me or with me for testimonials about why did you enjoy working with me or for me or alongside me? And actually the process of just asking people for testimonials about the time we worked together as an employee, you can still do that through some LinkedIn or whatever. That was really cathartic because it reminded me of what people got, what value people got from being in my world.

And I also did a survey actually of about 30 people, and I asked them some questions around what kind of work do you think I absolutely should be doing? What kind of work should I never do again? And there was a theme and they all said, you should never do HR again because you're not an HR person, which I'm not. And what do you think my superpowers are? And again, it was just there was some themes. It was very practical for me to see the themes that were coming out that could help me actually position myself as an entrepreneur and somebody who was building their own business. But also it gave me a little bit of rocket fuel. It made me feel better. It reminded me of what I'm good at. And

I do not ever, and I never have wanted to be somebody that kind of drowns in the sea of sameness. And what I did know from that, and also from the work that I've done before, that people resonated with how I worked with them, how I encouraged them. And I didn't see that in many other leaders. And I knew that that was the thing. I knew that that was one of the things that was really important to me. And I just thought, well, who am I not to share that with people when I know that can help people get the results that they want, or they can think about situations with their people and their teams in a way that requires some creativity and some innovation and some possibility thinking. And I went for it because I know because people tell me the difference that working with me can make to them. And I'm not for everyone. I am absolutely not for everyone. And that's the other thing I think is really important. If you are a bit, I don't know if this translates, in the UK we have a spread called Marmite. It's like a use Marmite.

Susan Hyatt (31:01):
I thought that was Australian.

Tamsyn Allington (31:02):
That's Vegemite. Similar thing.

Susan Hyatt (31:06):
Vegemite and Marmite. Okay, both sound gross, but what's Marmite? Well,

Tamsyn Allington (31:10):
There you go. So Marmite is the same as Vegemite, but it's beef extract. So it is not vegan, but it's the same thing. So people, Marmite, if you speak to somebody in the UK or anyone that's listening to this is from England, the uk, they will be familiar with the concept of Marmite. And people either love it or they really don't love it, right? It's

Susan Hyatt (31:31):
Kind of like boiled peanuts in the south where I'm from. Did you have boiled peanuts in Georgia when you came?

Tamsyn Allington (31:39):
I don't think so. I feel like

Susan Hyatt (31:41):
I, they're only good. It's only a summertime thing. And so listen, all y'all boiled peanut haters, listen, we're going to fight. But it is, it's like you either love them or

Tamsyn Allington (31:55):
You don't,

Susan Hyatt (31:55):
Or you think it's disgusting. CARite's the same way. Okay,

Tamsyn Allington (31:59):
Amite. So I knew that. I know from being in corporate, people will either really resonate with how I work or they won't. And actually trying to be all things to all people or sit on the fence is not going to get you anywhere. So just recognizing that and leaning into that has been really important.

Susan Hyatt (32:17):
It is so important. And I think that it's easy to fall into the trap of dumbing down your intellectual property or watering down your personality, or I caught me, I caught myself not cursing during something. I can't remember what it was, and I love to say fuck. And I was like, oh, wow. Oh, it was a TV interview and I was like, oh, not on tv, but an interview for tv, be on TV eventually. And I noticed, I was like, what are you doing? You're watering yourself down to be more palatable for this person. And that's the last kind of vanilla bullshit they want on a TV show.

Tamsyn Allington (33:08):
Completely, right?

Susan Hyatt (33:10):
Completely. They're either for me or they're not. You're going to find out eventually.

Tamsyn Allington (33:14):
Yeah, totally. Totally. And I think for me, that's really key speaking. I've got myself into trouble in my corporate career for speaking truth to power, but do you know what that's really good at? And there's a way to do it that is appropriate and ethical and with respect, but actually we are not here for a long time. So what are you waiting for? I think within workplaces and just within the world of work, people are crying out for authenticity.

People want to see real people. People are sick to death of stuff. Being fudged speaking, the truth doesn't have to be an act of aggression. It doesn't have to be an act of negativity. It is aligning with your values and being authentic and being true to you. And I'm not interested in doing work that is not authentically aligned anymore. I've done that for years and years and years. And I think finding your true values and being clear about it will help you find your right people. It will help you find your right support system. And I think those are the people that bring the best out in other people because they will identify with what you're saying and think if you can do it.

Susan Hyatt (34:43):
Well, that's why I wanted to have you on the show, right? Because there are so many people feeling stuck in a situation, a relationship, a job, a town that they would rather not be in. And I think if you can't see it, you can't be it, right? So listening like, oh, wow, okay. I guarantee you there are women listening who are like, oh, Tamsen has the same bullshit I had from my childhood. She has the same security blanket thing going on. And like, okay, so if she can run the numbers, create a bridge, lean into her, what makes her Marmite, I love that. Then maybe I can too. So when you, because I've watched you do this at least three times with different things. And so when you got to the other side, there's always more to learn, right? We're always growing and expanding and learning, but are you at a point where you're celebrating yourself and what you did?

Tamsyn Allington (36:12):
I think that's a really good question. There is a practice that I need to keep building to remind me to do that.

Susan Hyatt (36:22):

Tamsyn Allington (36:24):
She's one of the reasons why for me, it's important to be in the right community, have the right people on your support board. I talk about building a support board around you. One of those roles around my table, and actually I don't really talk much about this anymore, but when I first exited my corporate career, I talked a lot about, I worked really hard. I fought really hard to be at the table. I got there, and it's the wrong fucking table,

Susan Hyatt (36:55):
Like viola,

Tamsyn Allington (36:58):
Exactly, that I'm at the wrong table. Or actually, I've really fought to get to the table, and actually they don't really want me there, so I'm just going to build my own table. And it's really important. I think it's,

You get to choose, I think especially very practically if we're talking about people like me who exited the corporate world and set up their own thing. And when I did that, I was in my forties. I turned 50 at the end of last year. So some of those behaviors you've learned, right? They're ingrained in you. And I've had a couple of attempts at stepping out on my own in the past, and then I've kind of scurried back in. What I know now is I'm never going back because I've done the work to get me into a place where I don't know what's going to be ahead, but I do know what's best for me, and there is nothing more important to me than protecting my health and protecting the time that I have. And you do get to choose, and I understand that there's some people that might sound like a tri comment because I also know I also have a great deal of privilege.

And so I'm not saying anyone can do this. You can just fly out the door. But I do get frustrated when you see some of those things that to your point, yeah, just throw, you don't need a plan. You don't need a safety blanket. Do what you need to do to be in a good place to help you think about it. But there are lots of different ways you can do it. It's not all or nothing. It's not I'm fully in this employed role or I'm fully an entrepreneur. There are lots of different ways to do it, and I think it's about creating the space to think through what some of those options are and getting help to talk that through. I'm not just saying that I wouldn't have, I think about the pivots and I mean, that's why I called my podcast Pivots and plot twists because I just thought I've built my life on change. I'm not here for incremental change. I'm not here for 3% year on year growth. I want to see big change because I think that's where, for me, that's what excites me and seeing other people be bold and make those changes. And that isn't for everyone. But I've done this multiple times in my life, and you can do it. Anyone can. I did it. There's nothing special about me.

Susan Hyatt (39:20):
Well, there's all kinds of special things about you, but everyone has specialness. They can flex. You are very special. And the thing that I would love to encourage you to do is come up with some kind of celebration ritual for yourself, because it's like every week in entrepreneurship, there are things, it's not easy. It's not easy. And what you've done is not easy. I'm really proud of you. And of course we're going to share with everyone how to find you, how to reach out to you. But is there a preferred way? If somebody is like, I'm obsessed with her, where should they go?

Tamsyn Allington (40:12):
There's probably two routes. LinkedIn, I can be found on LinkedIn more easily than anywhere else, or you can come and follow my podcast, and I am very privileged to be able to have you on it very soon. They are stories of people who have made change decided no matter what, they're going to make the change that they want. So it is called Pivots and plot twists, and it's on Apple, Spotify, all the usual places. People can find me there too.

Susan Hyatt (40:44):
I'm so obsessed with even the title because for a while I had forgotten about this, but when things would go wrong, I would go, nothing's gone wrong. It's just a plot twist. And I think that that's such a pivots and plot twist. Listen, you just turned 50. I just turned 50. Us midlife women, we're in our prime. We're not fucking around. So pivots and plot twists. I am here for it. Me too. Thank you for your story and your energy, and I'm really excited to share this episode.

Tamsyn Allington (41:19):
Thank you, Susan, and absolute joy as always. Thank you.

Susan Hyatt (41:26):
Okay. Okay. I hope you enjoyed this episode, and I want to close this out by asking you to check out the Beyond Mastermind business edition. It's a new iteration of Beyond, and it's open for enrollment. This high touch pink carpet experience includes plenty of focus, support, strategy and coaching. From me, you'll be in great company alongside incredible women, all moving towards their business goals. So this Mastermind is perfect for entrepreneurs who want to earn more money and make a greater impact. Career professionals seeking promotions, looking to transition to more fulfilling roles, or waiting to, or wanting to improve their leadership. Women who want to build more wealth to create significant change in the world. So if you're interested, you can get in touch with my team and we'll send you an application. You can also email support@susanhyatt.co. You can DM me on social media. Let's get in touch and let's have a chat.



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